World War II

So, should America have entered the war?

I say, absolutely! After all, the Holocaust was wrong, and we should have immediately done our utmost to stop it. My opinion is that we delayed too long in entering the war.

Also, Germany was completely breaking the treaty, by forming an army, and then, they started invading other countries.

You should see the US Air Force Museum's Holocaust exhibit. Even the our spy's didn't know about the death camps!
What gets me mad were all the stupid international agreements after the wars.

Of course they should have… The Axis might have conquered Europe if they didn't. But I don't blame them for delaying; war is costly, and it requires the lives of many U.S. citizens.

Of course they should have... The Axis might have conquered Europe if they _hadn't_. But I don't blame them for delaying; war is costly, and it requires the lives of many U.S. citizens.

I don't like writing, ya know XD

Hey! Someone opened my topic!! JK.

And my answer: NO!

"After all, the Holocaust was wrong, and we should have immediately done our utmost to stop it." < THIS SENTENCE. I can't wait till after nationals and I can discuss this!

And this one even more > "Also, Germany was completely breaking the treaty, by forming an army, and then, they started invading other countries." Ugh.

@Dani - Remind me at nationals to talk with you! It'd be fun to have a little "debate" (friendly way, of course!) on this!

^Christian, Nicolas and Rosie know that I can get pretty passionate about this topic, so I'll try to stay calm while discussing!^

So was the Holocaust right?

^I'd add a smiley to indicate that I'm not trying to be caustic, but it's too serious a subject.^

BY NO MEANS. I never said it was. But you might be surprised to find out the opposite facts of it as well. Much, much more disturbing.

^I don't care. I won't put smilies either, because it is a very disturbing and serious subject^

BY NO MEANS. I never said it was. But you might be surprised to find out the opposite facts of it as well. Much, much more disturbing. ^I don't care. I won't put smilies either, because it is a very disturbing and serious subject^

I await your explanation with bated breath. Talk to you at Nats!

I'll look forward to it too! Remind me, in case I forget! I need to pull out some of my WW2 books and papers I have, to refresh stuff. I took economics this past year for my senior year, and studied WW2, which is when I started to really think about it and form my opinions on the matter.

BTW, I am in no way saying that the Holocaust was right in any way, shape or form. I think it was a very horrible, sinful, wicked thing done in history.

BY NO MEANS. I never said it was. But you might be surprised to find out the opposite facts of it as well. Much, much more disturbing. ^I don't care. I won't put smilies either, because it is a very disturbing and serious subject^

I await your explanation with baited breath. Talk to you at Nats!

WWII is one of my favorite periods in history ^next to the War of NA^ - of course, not because of what happened but because it's just so interesting. It would be interesting to hear your, ahem, "debate." ^Will not use a smiley or emoticon in any shape or form^

And I'd enjoy hearing your thoughts on it as well, Bethany, when we discuss it at nationals.

And I'd enjoy hearing your thoughts on it as well, Bethany, when we discuss it at nationals.

Okay! Although I've never actually thought about that aspect of WWII. Now I have something else to study after Nationals… who knows, maybe I'll get so interested I write my history paper on that! ;)

^Christian, Nicolas and Rosie know that I can get pretty passionate about this topic, so I'll try to stay calm while discussing!^

Amen! ^Sorry, I just had to say it. XP^

BY NO MEANS. I never said it was. But you might be surprised to find out the opposite facts of it as well. Much, much more disturbing. ^I don't care. I won't put smilies either, because it is a very disturbing and serious subject^

I await your explanation with baited breath. Talk to you at Nats!

WWII is one of my favorite periods in history ^next to the War of NA^ - of course, not because of what happened but because it's just so interesting. It would be interesting to hear your, ahem, "debate." ^Will not use a smiley or emoticon in any shape or form^

I think it needs to be recorded…because I want to hear it too. :) I haven't studied WWII all that much compared to some other time periods, but I would be very interested in hearing what you both have to say.

BY NO MEANS. I never said it was. But you might be surprised to find out the opposite facts of it as well. Much, much more disturbing. ^I don't care. I won't put smilies either, because it is a very disturbing and serious subject^

I await your explanation with baited breath. Talk to you at Nats!

WWII is one of my favorite periods in history ^next to the War of NA^ - of course, not because of what happened but because it's just so interesting. It would be interesting to hear your, ahem, "debate." ^Will not use a smiley or emoticon in any shape or form^

^Oh, was it going to be a debate? I guess knowing me, it'll turn out that way…^

It's one of my favorite periods. Well, of course, I have about three or four other favorite time periods…

I have a feeling that this issue will center mostly around the morality/legality of the American embargo of Japan prior to Pearl Harbor (and Germany's quasi-justifiable expansion in its early years under Adolf Hitler). If so, I will have a few thoughts to share as well. :)

I have a feeling that I'm going to be mostly listening…

@Rosie - Hey! Just fine with me! It's true! Sorry you had to listen to me… you could have told me to be quiet. I mean, it was like 2 in the morning, and probably no one wanted to hear me talk about WW2 stuff. :P

@seth - Meh. I'm not big on having myself recorded in a conversation! Because this isn't going to be a planned debate… just kinda… what do you think about this aspect of it? :) If you wanna talk about WW2 and stuff relating to it, come on over! We'd be happy to have you for a meal as well! =]

@jimmy - Wonderful! Love to hear your thoughts as well on whatever it is you want to talk about. :P

Haha! You as well. :p

@all: What is your favorite theater of the war to learn about: European or Pacific? I personally find the European side of the war particularly interesting. :)

European, definitely. Specifically the Battle of Britain, and anything relating to intelligence work.

Has anyone read Unbroken by Laura Hillenbrand?

Definitely the European side. xD
You know the game Axis and Allies?

Yes! I love that game. :D

Same here!
Now, have you ever heard of Axis and Allies Miniatures? xD

No, I don't think I have. It sounds cool, though.

Have you ever tried the Axis and Allies WWI edition? That is really cool as well. :)

Haha! You as well. :p @all: What is your favorite theater of the war to learn about: European or Pacific? I personally find the European side of the war particularly interesting. :)

Both! :) I guess I know more about the European side, though.

No, I don't think I have. It sounds cool, though. Have you ever tried the Axis and Allies WWI edition? That is really cool as well. :)

You should look into it! It's really cool! No, but I've seen it… I really want to try it sometime.

In the case of WWII, I believe that Proverbs 24:11-12 applies over the example of King Josiah butting into a war that was not his. The innocent, suffering people needed rescue.

It stinks that we couldn't have our WW2 debate. :(

But, I guess we can talk about it on here.

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I know it isn't about World War 2, but it's about World War 1, which caused World War 2, so technically this is relevant. ;)

I would appreciate it if some of you who know way more about WWI history that I do would check this video out:

They're explaining some of the events that led up to WWI, and I'd really like to hear your own thoughts. :)

Watched the video, Sam. Thanks for sharing it. I'll give you my thoughts on it, after I research a little more. A couple things were said that possibly put up red flags in my mind, but I want to study a little further before I come out and say anything about it.

Researching right now about Pearl Harbor. Very interesting. Wish I could find books at our library about McCollum, but they don't seem to have any, which is disappointing. It's amazing how many books seem to give very twisted views on WW2. =/

It's amazing how many books seem to give very twisted views on WW2. =/

Is it? :P

You're right. Actually not. I should rephrase that - it's extremely sad how many books give a very twisted view on WW2. =/

You're right. Actually not. I should rephrase that - it's extremely sad how many books give a very twisted view on WW2. =/

Indeed, but it can only be expected. Everyone wanted (and wants) their country to look like the just one–even if no country was entirely just in the whole affair. We, unfortunately, have to take the word of some pretty biased people for how events took place, even if their word isn't completely accurate. ;)

"Everyone wanted (and wants) their country to look like the just one" You can say that again. Even for America.

"We, unfortunately, have to take the word of some pretty biased people for how events took place" Or, on the other hand, you can find out the truth about it yourself, and then be able to tell the truth about it to those who come after.

Looking forward to being able to talk about this more, especially Pearl Harbor, after I finish studying it, which will hopefully be soon.

So, I guess we can expect you to write a book on the World Wars sometime in the future, Bethany? ;)

Nope. I don't write books. But I can write papers. Long ones, if needed. :P About WW2. Probably not on WW1.

And one of those papers might be called… Why we shouldn't have dropped the atomic bomb.

And one of those papers might be called... Why we shouldn't have dropped the atomic bomb.

I personally agree with this (sorta kinda, that is), but wow, this will be a controversial topic. ;)

Probably so. :P After reading the Bob Jones curriculum for high-school, I thought I understand why we needed it. It sounded mean to say that, because a lot of people died, but I reasoned that we must have, if we ever wanted to win. And then I read another book. Which showed why Japan wasn't going to stop fighting, and why we kinda had a big part in making them be that way. Which is when I came to realize that no, we shouldn't have dropped the bomb.

Period.

But, since you said "sorta kinda" I'd be interested in hearing your opinion on the matter. And how that fits into your first phrase of "I personally agree with this" :)

Nope. I don't write books. But I can write papers. Long ones, if needed. :P About WW2. Probably not on WW1.

Me too. Though I need to brush up on WWII history. It has been TOO long since I read any books from that era.

Haha. I hadn't for awhile because of BB. But I got 6 at the library yesterday, and ordered for about 8 more to come in soon. ;)

Awesome! That's a lot of books (and that's a good thing)! I love WWII history!

This topic definitely needs more discussion on it.

And I'd also be interested in hearing Jimmy's thoughts on the matter, because he hasn't said much, though I know he's super busy. ;)

On a scale of Fairly Dead to Really Dead, how dead would we all be if the Axis won WWII?

Well… I can't answer that question at this moment.

Hitler was fighting the war out of revenge from the Treaty of Versailles. Stalin was fighting the war, to conquer the world. By 1942, Hitler controlled 4 percent of the world. Stalin controlled 16 percent, and London controlled 22 percent. It is estimated that Hitler killed around 20 million innocent people (using innocent, I mean people that were not actually fighting), and the Axis killed around 26 million (the other 6 million coming from Japan). Stalin (WHO WAS ON OUR SIDE) killed 42 million innocent people. And the Allies in total is over 52 million deaths. And just so that you know, in the Old World, there have been countless rulers who have murdered millions of peoples. It is nothing new to have men murdering millions. I just find is surprising that Hitler is always made out of the worst of everyone who ever lived, when Stalin murdered twice as many as Hitler.

That alone brings a huge question to my mind. And yeah, I kinda didn't answer your question, but that was because I'm trying to make a point that I think needs to be made.

Before Kremlin's Empire collapsed in the 1990's, the Soviet Socialists had murdered 61.9 million.

Tamerlane, lived during the 14th century, and killed and estimated 17 million.

The Mongol leader, Kublai Kahn, killed an estimated 18.4 million.

And slave traders in Europe, Africa and Asia, have estimated to have murdered between 17-65 million.

*Taken from Death by Government by R. J. Rummel.

I am in NO way saying that Hitler wasn't horrible. But why does it shock us so much, when many Old World Leaders have done far worse? And just for the record, Stalin had known concentration camps before Hitler ever did. And there have been known British concentration camps in South Africa during the Boer War. * Our Times edited by Lorraine Glennon.

'Cuz Hitler went out of his way in his attempt to exterminate Jews. The other bad guys weren't as picky. :P