Sunday or Saturday?

When I'm starting this topic, I'm mostly interested in knowing the reasons Sunday keepers go to church on Sunday. I've heard some reasons, but I'd like to hear some more. I think I'm also prepared to defend (or at least try to) my views on Sabbath keeping, as our family's Sabbath is Saturday.

What about Monday?

@Rosie C. Sunday is the first day of the week by definition. How would you reason that it's the second? If you believe Jesus rose on Monday, and that Monday is the first day of the week, then you believe that Jesus rose on the first day of the week. The first day of the week is the day that follows the seventh day, or the Hebrew Sabbath. If Monday is the first day of the week, then Sunday is the Sabbath day.
"Sunday" is merely the label that we give to the first day of the week. I don't understand how changing around the labels changes anything (except to make things more confusing).

@Eirene We worship on Sunday because that's what the early church apparently did. "Now on lthe first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight" (Acts 20:7 NKJV). As for Sabbath keeping, I don't think it's wrong to worship on Saturday, but I do not think it is necessary. "16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ" (Col. 2:16-17 NKJV). When Gentiles first started coming to Christ, some of the Jews wanted them keep the law of Moses, which would include Sabbath keeping. "5 But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses” (Acts 15:4 NKJV). However, the apostles decided that imposing the regulation of the Old Covenant on the Gentiles was not right. "For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well" (Acts 15:18). Paul further argued in his letters that even some of those restrictions are not necessary. Galatians and Romans contain extensive arguments against subjecting ourselves to the rules and regulations of the Old Covenant.

@Joshua- I think I said it wrong when I said, "I think Monday is the first day of the week." I meant it more as, if we take this Biblically when it says he rose, which would be the first day of the week, Sunday, then all the problems are solved. But It also says he was dead 3 days. Many Scholars believe he died on Friday. That's what I believe. If he died Friday night, that leaves Saturday, Sunday. Which only equals 2 days. Add Monday morning to Friday night. And you have 3 days.
Does that make sense? I think I've been a little incoherent today. I also have a hard time explaining myself, if you haven't noticed.
Has a feeling I didn't answer your questions like you meant it…

But it doesn't really bother me that we meet on Sunday.

@Rosie Okay, but that would mean he rose on the second day of the week, since Friday, the day before the Sabbath, is the sixth day of the week, and the tomb was empty on the first day of the week.

@Joshua- We've agreed to disagree without being disagreeable right?

Because if not I stop right there.

But if we have, here's why…

So one of them doesn't add up right in my mind. The number of days he was dead (Or am I counting that wrong, too?) or the numerical day he rose?

@JOSHUA: I'll post more hopefully tomorrow when I have more time, but do you believe that Sabbath was originally Saturday, and then changed? Or do you believe it's always been Sunday?

@Rosie I'm really sorry if I'm coming across harshly. I didn't mean to sound so disrespectful of your opinions.

@Eirene I think the labels we're putting on the days of the week are getting a little confusing. "Sunday," "Saturday," etc. were the names given to the first and seventh days of the week. Actually, they were named after pagan deities. The name "Sunday," as I understand it, was given to the first day of the week because the sun was their most important god. I know in Poland, their calendars are arranged so that "Sunday" is the seventh day of the week. I'm just not sure why that makes a difference. "Sunday" and "Saturday" are just labels we give to the days of week. They could just as easily be anything else. Maybe we should just call the days of the week by they're number ("first", "second," etc.) to avoid confusion. Unless my mistaken, your main question in this thread is why people worship on the first day instead of the second day. Is that correct? I'm sorry if that sounds like a stupid question, but I can be a little slow sometimes.

I believe that the Jews worship on the seventh day: the Sabbath, but that the early Christians (or at least some of them) worshipped on the first day. Nevertheless, I don't think that it really matters. I don't see why people couldn't worship in the middle of the week if they needed to for some reason.

So, are you calling "Sunday" the first day, and "Monday" the second? That's not what I'm interested in - I want to hear some more reasons why people worship on the first day of the week, "Sunday", instead of the seventh, "Saturday", like it teaches in Genesis, that God worked six days, and rested the seventh.
If you don't think it really matters, what about the commandment, "Keep the Sabbath day holy"? Are you saying that we can choose what the "Sabbath day" is?
It does say in Acts that the Christians gathered together on the first day of the week, which I would believe would be "Sunday".
"And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight." - Acts 20:7 KJV.
But what if that was just a church/prayer meeting? Doesn't your church have meetings that could be called worship services on different days of the week sometimes? Ours does. Is there really anywhere in the bible that we are actually told that the first day of the week is now the Sabbath, instead of the seventh, as taught by God's 'creation week' in Genesis?

That definitely could be a possibility. Our church does have meetings on other days. However, the verse says that they were breaking bread.

Does the fact that it says they were breaking bread make you think it was worship, as in on the Sabbath day? If so I'm interested in knowing why. Our church fairly often has a service and fellowships with a meal afterwards.

Well, when I heard the phrase "breaking bread," I took that to mean the breaking of bread as in 1 Corinthians 11:23-26. I suppose it could mean a regular mean though.

As for the Sabbath day, the laws and regulations surrounding the Sabbath day were part of the Old Testament law. That law also included commandments such keeping the Passover, not touching dead bodies, and, most significantly, offering sacrifices to atone for sin. Paul argues extensively in Galatians and Romans to show that we are not under the law. "14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you compel Gentiles to live as Jews? 15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified." (Gal 2:14-16 NKJV). I don't believe that we are required to ritually keep the Sabbath day as Christians. I would be interested to know what you think about Colossians 2:16-17, "16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ" (NKJV).

I agree that it could have been the Passover, or whatever you want to call it, or some other Feast. But I don't believe that would make it the Sabbath. Maybe the "high sabbath", like the Passover, but not the "Sabbath", that occurs once a week.

It's true, that we are not under the old law, like about sacrificing animals, but are you saying that you consider the ten commandments, as the old law which we are not under? (I don't really think so, but I want to clarify that, since you said "we are not required to ritually keep the Sabbath day as Christians." Some people are more strict about the Sabbath than others - we sometimes travel on the Sabbath, we also do dishes, and do an emergency load of laundry, things like that that can't be left undone.) About Colossians 2:16-17, it says at the end they are the substance of Christ, which I think means that the spirit really matters (though I don't think we just shouldn't worry about why we believe what we believe). That leads me to say that I do not believe the whole "Sabbath" issue of debate, as well as almost any other, is not a matter of salvation. I have known some Church of God Seventh Day keepers who refuse to hold contact with Sunday keepers if at all possible. I do not like that. That is one of the reasons we are not a huge part of our church any more (but we have to remember - no church is perfect!). But just because we disagree doesn't mean people who worship on the first day of the week instead of on the seventh aren't Christians. They will still go to heaven if they believe. We all disagree on some point of theology, whether it's big or small.

@Joshua- No problem. I like people correcting me. Maybe I have been counting wrong…

@Rosie I posted my reasoning on when Jesus died in the "Christmas/Holidays" thread.

I saw but I shan't be on any except in early morning or late night today. I get to it (_{and read it}) when I have more time.

I'm in no rush!

@JOSHUA and Brianna- First, I applaud your great interest in people's views. Second, I don't know if you noticed but I was testing to see how many people would actually see a problem in my stance. Third, I don't actually believe that Jesus rose on Monday, that was just to be different. (BTW, I'm a known prankster.) Fourth, I was just seeing what you would say, you each supported your views really well.

So I'm still not actually decided weather or not Jesus died on Thursday or Friday. Conflicting evidence.

Call me weird and never talk to me again. But let me at least get the last word. You guys are amazing at supporting your faith. 8D

Thank you, Rosie! I've never thought myself very well prepared to argue about why I believe what believe, but like it says in John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." It's all God. I feel that we need to be prepared to defend our faith to others.

If you don't mind me asking, Do you think that telling someone something that is not true, in jest or as a prank, is not a lie?

@Brianna- It could be but I'm am an extreme apologetic and I believe in preparing people for everything. So if you didn't think that I believed in Monday as Resurrection day you would not have tried so hard to show me 'my' error. Does this make sense? My brain hasn't been firing right today.

Maybe…not sure.

@Eirene Sorry, it took me so long to get back to you. School started, and things got busy.
I do believe that the ten commandments are part of the Old Covenant. Hebrews 12:18-24 speaks about that portion of Scripture when referring to the Old Covenant. All of the ten commandments are repeated in the New Testament except keeping the Sabbath day.

Let me ask you this, Did Jesus keep the Sabbath? Why did Jesus say, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. [Mar 2:27 NKJV] If it was made for man, would there ever be a time when we no longer need it? Why do you believe that the ten commandments were done away with? Where does it say that something written in stone by the finger of God could be changed or discarded? Read chapter 4 of Hebrews. The Sabbath commandment h is repeated in the NT.
[1Co 7:19 NKJV] 19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God [is what matters].
[Rev 12:17 NKJV] 17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
[Rev 14:12 NKJV] 12 Here is the patience of the saints; here [are] those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
What are the commandments of God? Do they not include the Sabbath commandment? Why do men forget the only commandment God said to Remember?