Vaccines?

Do y'all vaccinate? What do you believe about them? Did you know that vaccines contain aborted fetal cells?

We don't vaccinate. I personally think that vaccines for things like Chicken Pox don't work, we had a friend who got vaccinated then proceeded to get it 3 times!!!! I did not know that, but then I don't study things like that. LOL

We don't vaccinate either, and I don't know a ton of stuff about them, but I do know they don't work sometimes, like you said, and after someone's been vaccinated, they often spread the sickness to others who haven't!
Ben Carson thinks that vaccines should be mandatory. That is one of the biggest reasons Mama and Daddy didn't vote for him. But they say that if vaccines ever become mandatory, we will just go along with it, and leave the rest up to God. I think some Christians have said that if that happens, they'll leave the country!

I don't think we would leave the country… But you never know, If things pile up, then it could be possible. But that's not likely. I don't guess we actually have a problem with vaccines, its just we don't have to have them so we don't do them. BTW, I have never had the Flu and I have never had the vaccine.

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Great movie! At least, Mom and Dad and Nathan and Caleb think so. :P I haven't seen it, but I will soon!
We haven't vaccinated for a looong time. Nathan and I had some pretty bad reactions when we got vaccinated.
And did you know that vaccines often cause autism and/or death?

@Hannah- As a general rule, we don't get sick. I have NEVER had the FLU. Never! I have never gotten things like food poisoning. (I eat raw eggs all the time) My two-year-older bother got a tetanus shot, when he wrecked the gator, and now since he's a firefighter he has to get shots like Hepatitis shots and he has to keep his tetanus shots up to date.

Especially when you're pregnant.

@Mommy's Helper I'm not sure if often is the right word to use. The link between vaccines and autism is so slight, that it's not even clear if there is a link. The percentage or children who were not vaccinated who get autism and the percentage of children who were vaccinated who get autism are the same as far as I can tell, so I seriously doubt there is link, and if there is, it is extremely subtle. Anyway, even if vaccines can be dangerous, we're certainly better off now than we were a few hundred years ago before vaccines!

@JOSHUA Swaim I would agree that vaccines rarely cause autism/death. That being said, I do believe that they can cause serious side effects. The government itself has a program called The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, which deals with vaccine injuries. Since ~1990, it has awarded 3 billion dollars to people injured by vaccines. The chances of having serious side effects are relatively small, but vaccines definitely have the potential to cause injury. I think vaccines have their place and suppress diseases, but I personally don't feel the need to vaccinate myself.

@Rosie: Sorry, I have to (somewhat respectfully :P) disagree. It is very important to NOT get vaccines when you are pregnant, because usually all the bad stuff in vaccines goes to the baby, and then when the baby is born, it has problems. (People who make vaccines say it's important for pregnant women to get them so that if the baby is injured by vaccines, it won't be so obvious that it was because of the vaccines because they will be born with it.)

@Everett I suppose now that many deadly diseases are eradicated or nearly eradicated in America, vaccines aren't as important. Most medication can have serious side-effects, so I don't doubt that vaccines can have them as well.

In some cases vaccines are super important, like the polio epidemic in the mid 19 hundreds. BUT… I almost died due to vaccines, and they still are causing problems for me today. So they absolutely can be fatal/ harmful.

Umm… Actually the polio epidemic had already taken a major decline before the vaccine due to more sanitary living conditions and people building up a natural immunity. The time lines that you'll see in text books only show the two or three years where it made another slight comeback before predictably drooping off again. Most, (but not all) books on the subject are in someway associated with a university whose medical program is funded by Farma and the modern median industry. simply put Money is the root of all evil and its easier to get people kill each other in the name of a good cause then a bad one.

I can't find a source because the college has blocked almost everything on the internet but real graphs of the time line shouldn't be to hard to find. There is also a documentary called The Beautiful Truth that said a few things about it.

Yep.
But basically my point was that vaccines can be deadly. But they (supposedly) can prevent/ reduce disease. Like there's no point in a flu shot. Risking autism, death, etc over a little bug that'll be gone in a week? But what if a deadly virus spread throughout America that was untreatable, but (once again supposedly) preventable by a vaccine? In that case it makes sense to at least consider using the vaccine to prevent the majority of the population being wiped out by something (supposedly) preventable.
Note that it would be good to have research supporting such hypothetical vaccine not done by people pushing them…

This doesn't even make sense to me.

Also this isn't even debating theology anymore…

I'll shut up now

Yeah, its basically "Are they harmful, and whether they are or arnt, do they work well enough to justify forcing it on others (aka making it mandatory by law)". Nobody would agree to give there children strait poison for no reason or to have no affect.

Well what do you know! This websites not blocked.
https://thetruthaboutcancer.com/vaccines-cancer-in-a-syringe/

Here is a good page to read if you think about vaccines. Don't worry it isn't some kinda weird doctor who gives his opinion about how bad vaccines are without any citations. No this is six different News storys about healthy people who DIED shortly after getting their lethal dose of hazmat from the doctor.

http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/healthy-people-who-were-vaccinated-for-the-flu-continue-to-die/

Vaccines are nasty things, folks.

^^ Thankfully mom doesn't insist on them. =)

I know this topic has been dead for almost a year, but I just wanted to remind everyone of what @Eirene said at the beginning…. that vaccines contain aborted fetal cells. Therefore I would consider it a sin to get vaccinated willingly, and even if the government makes it mandatory I will break the law.

Just my thoughts :)

So they don't actually contain fetal tissue, but here's an article explaining it a little more. http://www.drwile.com/lnkpages/render.asp?vac_abortion

Also, I'm no expert on this, I just thought this might help.

Thanks! I didn't read all of the article yet (I doubt I ever will; I've been kind of busy) but I disagree with the part where it talks about how once the babies were murdered, their cells were used to save millions of lives.
Vaccines do not save lives. In fact, they often take lives.

(I'm not expert on this either, but my mom is, and I hear her talk about it a lot. So mainly I'm going off what she says.)

I can't reach the link that Ian posted because of blocked internet, but I have heard my parents talk about vaccines. They contain aborted fetal cells. And what makes it worse is that babies are not just aborted and then people decide to use their cells for vaccines. Abortions are performed with the direct purpose of using the cells for vaccines. I'm not sure I believe it would be an absolute sin to get vaccinated, though I really don't like the thought of it; and I agree with my parents that if vaccines every do become mandatory that it would probably be best in most cases just to go along with it and leave the rest up to God.

Eirene- The article talks about how vaccines do not contain fetal tissues or cells, because if they did there is a high likelihood that a body injected with those cells would reject them and the person would probably die. Rather it says that cells from two aborted babies from the 1960s are used to create the vaccines. The cells are injected with viruses that are then weakened to make the vaccine (or at least I think that's how it works). The main point though is that it's too dangerous to put human cells in vaccines because you would have to carefully match everyone before being able to do so. As for the fact that two aborted babies were used to help make the vaccines, I am conflicted. I see the good that vaccines have done, such as eliminate polio, but there is the moral ground of this came from a sinful and horrible practice.

@"Ian R.2 " - I don't quite understand what you mean. You basically said "Vaccines do not contain aborted fetal cells" and then you said "Aborted fetal cells are used to create vaccines". It seems like your contradicting yourself.

Also, vaccines did not eliminate polio. The number of people that had polio was already going down before the polio vaccine came, and if I remember correctly, once the polio vaccine came, it started not dropping as much. Eventually it still was eliminated, but not from the vaccines.

That's interesting. And confusing. xP

Mommy's Helper- From what I understand, the viruses are injected into the fetal cells in order to be weakened, then they extract the viruses to be put into the vaccines. Like I said though I'm not an expert, I just know that there are no fetal cells actually in the vaccines.

As for Polio, I found a chart that does indicate that the cases for polio were starting to go down, but once the vaccine was introduced polio cases continued to go down until it was eliminated instead of spiking back up as in previous years. Here's the chart. https://userscontent2.emaze.com/images/cfc994d0-6863-4a83-a2b3-947a03ef18b6/7f2446096d9ddae1d412adfcd9a3b717.JPG

If you vaccinate yourself or your children, that's your choice. My advice: Do your own research, don't listen to what other people say regarding it (especially the government, because we all know how trustworthy politicians are), but if you don't stick a needle in your teen or toddler, what should anybody else care? If you think you or your children are in danger (looking at you, Ebola), then by all means, if you think it prudent or necessary, then get that jab.
In the case of a COVID-19 vaccine, don't get it just because someone won't let you into a public building or into a gym or whatever. Don't bow to the pressure. You have rights, and nobody should force you to get it. Forcing people to get a vaccine that you are questioning just because they want you to, is wrong. Downright wrong. Bullying, threatening, and lying about it isn't going to make anything better or make people want to do it.