Discussion of study materials

Good job!

InSoloChristo-You just had to bring that up didn't you?

Rachel- Me too!

Rosie: I didn't have to bring it up, I was just making an observation. (At least I didn't say what you were doing!)

Well, I guess wasn't really being silly anyway. I was just determined to get back on to my account; so I figured that I may have spelled my email wrong.
I'm glad you didn't say what I was doing, but, it wouldn't have been that bad if you had (not like I want you to or anything).
I'm going to stop talking about this now, its kind of off-topic.

I went deep enough to know that you're spelling canon wrong. :D

@Christian - Ha..very funny :)

OK, though, how much do you all think we need to know about it?

@ All I am a little bit behind on my sword study due to the fact that I was gone for the month of June and then was a counselor for a week. So I have done about ten days of BB. I'm on week four day five. Anyway, is there a place that I can go to study the canon of scripture ? I don't really just want to go to any random place on the internet if you guys understand.

@God's Bondslave - Uh…I haven't a found a good place yet, either. I've heard that Wikipedia isn't the most reliable source, so I'm hesitant to read that, and besides, their article on it, was pages upon pages long, so I didn't want to take several hours to read through it all. I didn't even know what the "canon of Scripture" was till yesterday :)

@All - Have any of you tried to quote 20 passages in 10 minutes? Have you found it difficult? I've tried doing it, and I have almost no time left over, and I talk so fast sometimes, the person listening to me can't always understand me….anyone else like that??!

Bethany….yes, we've had that problem too. Our friends timed themselves saying the 20 shortest passages and it took 9 minutes and 33 seconds, I believe, saying them fast. I read 20 cards in 9 minutes and 13 seconds, but every time I tried reciting them, I kinda panicked and messed up. :P I think that if we want to get through all 20 passages we'll need to know our verses REALLY well…

That's a good point. I haven't really tried doing 20 passages in 10 minutes but I think it would be tough since a lot of the passages are long. In past years I have passed on a few each time and have gotten through it in 10 minutes each time.

I've actually been practicing that for the past couple of weeks. I've been taking walks down the country road we live on and taking 20 verse cards and my stopwatch with me and quizzing them with myself. This is for the sole purpose of getting my cards up to speed, because since I don't have a quizzer with me I won't be able to know for sure whether I made mistakes or not. Courtney and I have also done a mock oral test a couple of times. I had a hard time at first, but I've been able to get 20 passages quoted in 10 minutes for the past several times I've done it.

@All - I was working on making my "Master Chart of Greek Words" this afternoon, and came to Week 9, Day 3 - though, it gives two Greek words for patient, and another Greek word for the word "patience". What that a mess-up, am I missing something, or what???

Help would be greatly appreciated :)

Also, if someone of you wouldn't mind, I would really like to see all the titles that you came up with for the book of 2 Timothy :)

@Bethany - Each of the Greek words given for patient or patience in Week Nine, Day Three seem to be for a different verse in 2 Timothy. Anexikakos is used in 2:24, Makrothumia in 4:2, and Hupomone in 3:10. Just like Week Three, Day Three; there are four Greek words given in that day (Epaischunomai, Anepaischuntos, Lupeomai, Euphrainomai).

My Titles for 2 Timothy:
Chapter 1: Do Not Be Ashamed of the Gospel
Chapter 2: Present Yourself Approved to God
Chapter 3: Men of Self Versus Men of God
Chapter 4: Get Ready to Take My Place

@Matthew - Interesting. So, I'm assuming we not only have to memorize the Greek word but also what verse it is mentioned in? Though, those last four Greek words you gave me, were different (ashamed, unashamed, sorrowful, and rejoicing [not in correct order])…?

Thanks for the titles - very good, and pretty close to what I had :)

Did anyone/is anyone going to make a Day 10 Diagram for 2 Timothy on Week Ten, Day Five? I can't think of anything that would accurately sum it up…

Neither would I… I'm not sure at all what I'm going to do on that page…

Um, I do not think I will. I can't think of anything either, nor would I be able to draw it if I did.
Have you finished your Sword Study?

If you don't mind, what are your titles for chapters in 2 Timothy?

Mine are:

Chapter 1: Encouragement to be Faithful
Chapter 2: A Workman Approved by God
Chapter 3: Warnings Against Godlessness and Examples of Godliness
Chapter 4: Exhortations and Personal Remarks

Even if you weren't talking to me… :)

Well…right now, I'm working on making a new Day 10 Diagram for each chapter. Then, I think I'll take a little bit from each and combine it all into the overview of the whole book. We'll see how it turns out :) I've really enjoyed coming up with new diagrams…it fun to work on!

My titles:

Chapter 1 - Don't be Ashamed
Chapter 2 - Soldiers of Christ our Lord
Chapter 3 - Lives of the wicked and righteous
Chapter 4 - Finishing the Race

uugggggg i am sitting down to do my sword study and i'm on week 8 day4i'll have to do 10 today

My titles ended up being:

1. Hold Fast to the Faith
2. Present Yourself As an Approved Worker
3. Men of God, Know the Scriptures!
4. Preach the Word, and the Lord Will Be with You

Those were sometimes hard to come up with. It's really difficult to boil all the verses down into one little phrase or clause.

I made a 10 day diagram based on as many texts as I could, I combining as many subjects into one thing as possible: I drew a house, into which a man is breaking (3:6); beside which is a sign that reads, "Ask about cloak and stuff" (4:13); beside which are two pots labeled "Good pot", and "Bad pot" (2:20); behind which is a field and a farmer (2:6); in front of the house is a path, from which a man, ensnared by the 'devil' is straying, (4:4b; 2:18) and on which is Timothy, preaching 'The Word' (4:2). Various points along the road are marked, Teaching, Conduct, Aim in Life, Faith, Patience, Love, Steadfastness, Persecutions, Sufferings, (3:10-11a) and Sound Words (1:13). The ground is divided into regions: Asia (1:15), an unmarked region, and Rome (1:17). Alexander the coppersmith is sitting with a dagger (4:14) in the unmarked region. Paul is on the part of the path in Rome, wearing God's armor, kneeling and baring his neck, (you can guess what is going to happen next (4:6-7)). There are quite a few more things, and this has been a very long example, but it gives you the basic idea.

My Titles were:
Chapter 1: Fan God's Gift into Flame
Chapter 2: Share in Suffering and Uphold the Truth
Chapter 3: The Opposition, our Persecution, and Endurance
Chapter 4: Preach the Word, Personal Instructions and Greetings

I'd like to see that diagram sometime! :) Meanwhile, I'm still pretty clueless as to what I'm going to do for mine, but I'm workin' on it… :)

My titles are:
Chapter 1: Don't be Ashamed
Chapter 2: Be Strong in Christ
Chapter 3: Perilous Times Will Come
Chapter 4: It's Time For You to Take Over

SBG, Thanks! It's fine that you replied! I don't mind, and actually, Bethany asked everyone for their titles back a ways anyhow! :)

Bethany, Thank you. Your making new Day 10 Diagrams? Cool! I really like your titles, especially for Chapter 4! That sums it up very well.

COS, Yeah…the titles are usually like one of the hardest part in the whole Sword Study for me. :P Last year, I just summarized the key verses for the title because I couldn't think of anything!

ISC, Wow, I'd like to see that as well, but since I live on the other side of the country….that might be a little hard. :)

My titles:

#1 - "Do not be ashamed of the gospel"

#2 - "Extorted to Endure"

#3 - "In the last days, Christ will be our rock"

#4 - "I have fought a good fight"

What do you all think - do you think that Alexander the coppersmith in 2 Timothy 4, was the same Alexander that was mentioned in 1 Timothy 1:20?

I would be interested in hearing your thoughts…and why you think what you do about the topic.

We can't know for sure, but I would say it is likely.

I believe John McArthur thinks that he is not the same person, and that Paul calls him Alexander the coppersmith to distinguish him from the other Alexanders mentioned in other places. Nobody knows for sure, though.

You must have read the same book I did. :P

Actually, I've been listening to his sermon series on 2 Timothy. :)

I think they were different Alexanders as well. Contextually, it just doesn't match.

Ah, okay. I read the John McArthur commentary and I'm listening to tapes from Precept Ministries. :)

Next question - was there a mess-up in the SS book about the Greek words Preach, preacher, preaching? If so, please let me know!!

I know I still have about 4-5 days, but I'm getting into the get-it-learned-right-now mood.

Study hard, everyone! goes off to study more

@Bethany, Yes there was a mix up in the Greek words of the SS. preacher is kerux not kerusso and preach is kerusso not kerux preaching is kerugma. Hope that helps.

@God's Bondslave - Thanks for clarifying that..my sister and I were wondering about that too!

Oh yea, my titles..

Chapter 1 - Unashamed
Chapter 2 - Be Strong and Diligent!
Chapter 3 - Men of God Follow the Word of God
Chapter 4 - Passing on the Baton (or Sword..or Plough!)

Thanks for letting me know, God's Bondslave!

BTW, Seniors, were any of you a little confused by the last part of pg. 159? (the last paragraph on the page…)

Because I know I certainly was!

Yeah, I was wondering why that was there too. It was just given, and then there wasn't any further explanation of it. I don't think it makes sense, because if the word translated "Holy Scriptures" was supposed to be translated generically as "holy writings," then why does Paul say that they were able to make Timothy knowledgeable for salvation through faith in Christ?

I was a bit confused. It sounded like it was quoted from a commentary, but no citation was given…

I totally agree!! That's what I thought too..

Yeah, uh, Bethany, one of the kids in our Bee who is a Sr was studying that and said it's just wrong (and I think he probably looked at the Greek, but I'm not sure). I was confused when I read it too (I read from my Mom's Sr SS), but I didn't look into it at all.
Yeah, it does look like a quote…

It looked to me like it could have been a total accident that it got in there, because there was no citation, and there was no further explanation of it. But yeah, as others have said, it just really doesn't make sense. It'd be interesting to know the source.

We talked to our Pastor about it today, and he said he didn't think it was right. Then he looked up Greek. "grammata" (I didn't look up how to spell that, so it's probably wrong :P) is used for "Scripture" in other passages…

I would be greatly appreciative if someone could explain the three Greek words for patient/patience to me. Several people have already tried (and the SS doesn't help!) and I haven't gotten it yet.

Would someone mind telling me a clear, concise definition of each Greek word for Patient/patience?

Thank you SO much in advance, whoever answers this comment :)

Using the Strong's Concordance at www.bible.cc/, I came up with these definitions:

In 2 Tim. 2:24, the word for "patient" is anexikakos. A short definition is, "enduring evil, patient of evil, patiently forbearing." The HELPS Word Studies definition is as follows:

420 aneksíkakos (an adjective, derived from 430 /anéxomai, "to bear up" and 2556 /kakós, "malice, evil") – properly, the quality of enduring (bearing up), especially when harmed (treated unjustly), i.e. when inflicted with undeserved injury.

In 2 Tim. 4:2, the word for "patience/longsuffering" is makrothumia. A short definition is, "patience, forbearance, longsuffering." The HELPS Word Studies definition is as follows:

3115 makrothymía (from 3117 /makrós, "long" and 2372 /thymós, "passion, anger") – properly, long-passion, i.e. waiting sufficient time before expressing anger. This avoids the premature use of force (retribution) that rises out of improper anger (a personal reaction).

In 2 Tim. 3:10, the word for "perseverance (patience in KJV)," is hupmone. A short definition of hupomone is, "endurance, steadfastness, patient waiting for." The HELPS Word Studies definition is as follows:

5281 hypomon? (from 5259 /hypó, "under" and 3306 /mén?, "remain, endure") – properly, remaining under, endurance; steadfastness, especially as God enables the believer to "remain (endure) under" the challenges He allots in life.

I think the confusion comes when people see "patience" in their translation of 3:10 and think that's the word the Sword Study was talking about. But actually, the Greek word for patience there is the same as 4:2, makrothumia. But if you go a couple of words further to "perseverance," that's the word you're looking for, hupomone.

Hope that helps, Bethany! :)

Oh wow! I never knew that. Thank you so much, Christian!

SENIORS …. Do you think we need to study the offerings chart???

Might as well, if you don't have anything else to do…

Oh I have plenty to do! runs off to finish reviewing sword study