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I should leave now. Thank you for a great evening (just like old times…). Beware of "gallient imposters", beware of emoticons, beware of geniuses.

Farewell.

No, these are the Memverse Forums--each subcategory is a forum, and the subcategories under those are topics. So you're partially right, but you are wrong as well. ;P

Nope, those would be subforums, not more forums. Don't know why you're claiming to know more about this than I do. =P

It clearly says "Forums" everywhere you look! This is not a single forum!

Well, guess what! It's wrong! It should be "forum"!

Argh. *facepalm*

Just read Christian's comment. Then we'll be good. =) Or should it be well? I don't really care.

No, these are the Memverse Forums--each subcategory is a forum, and the subcategories under those are topics. So you're partially right, but you are wrong as well. ;P

Nope, those would be subforums, not more forums. Don't know why you're claiming to know more about this than I do. =P

It clearly says "Forums" everywhere you look! This is not a single forum!

Well, guess what! It's wrong! It should be "forum"!

Argh. *facepalm*

I, too, would make the argument that forum would be a clearer, more precise word, though forums is not technically incorrect.

Bye Margaret! Thanks for stopping in! It was fun. =)

I should leave now. Thank you for a great evening (just like old times...). Beware of "gallient imposters", beware of emoticons, beware of geniuses. Farewell.

Thank you for visiting, Margaret. Study well, work diligently, and don't stay up too late. Farewell!

Bye Margaret! Thanks for stopping in! It was fun. =)

I should leave now. Thank you for a great evening (just like old times...). Beware of "gallient imposters", beware of emoticons, beware of geniuses. Farewell.

Thank you for visiting, Margaret. Study well, work diligently, and don't stay up too late. Farewell!

What is it with you and making sure people don't stay up to late …?

I should leave now. Thank you for a great evening (just like old times...). Beware of "gallient imposters", beware of emoticons, beware of geniuses. Farewell.

Thank you for visiting, Margaret. Study well, work diligently, and don't stay up too late. Farewell!

What is it with you and making sure people don't stay up to late …?

I KNOW RIGHT?! ;)

What is it with you and making sure people don't stay up to late …?

I make special exceptions for those in college and those who get three to four hours of sleep each night. :P

Christian! Did you hear that news that Elissa Martin is engaged?

What is it with you and making sure people don't stay up to late …?

I make special exceptions for those in college and those who get three to four hours of sleep each night. :P

Did you not see my comment at the bottom of the previous page?

Christian! Did you hear that news that Elissa Martin is engaged?

I informed everyone tonight.

Christian! Did you hear that news that Elissa Martin is engaged?

I did hear this news, yes. I was pleasantly surprised.

What is it with you and making sure people don't stay up to late …?

I make special exceptions for those in college and those who get three to four hours of sleep each night. :P

Did you not see my comment at the bottom of the previous page?

I did, and I am pointedly ignoring it. :P

Yeah… really surprised. =) Totally wasn't expecting that! But, really excited for them!

What is it with you and making sure people don't stay up to late …?

I make special exceptions for those in college and those who get three to four hours of sleep each night. :P

Oh. :P

What is it with you and making sure people don't stay up to late …?

I make special exceptions for those in college and those who get three to four hours of sleep each night. :P

Did you not see my comment at the bottom of the previous page?

I did, and I am pointedly ignoring it. :P

Of course.

Eesh… it's a good thing I remembered to unsubscribe from that new SC thread when I did, or might not have been very happy tomorrow when I would check my e-mail. =p

Eesh... it's a good thing I remembered to unsubscribe from that new SC thread when I did, or might not have been very happy tomorrow when I would check my e-mail. =p

LOL, indeed. :P

Yeah... really surprised. =) Totally wasn't expecting that! But, really excited for them!

I just wonder if she's been courting someone for a significant amount of time, or if they're betrothal people who begin the relationship with an engagement.

I would have been telling my family when 100 e-mails are downloading… wow, I must be popular today. Then I'd see them and say: NOT. XD

Yeah... really surprised. =) Totally wasn't expecting that! But, really excited for them!

I just wonder if she's been courting someone for a significant amount of time, or if they're betrothal people who begin the relationship with an engagement.

Sarah said that they had been courting.

Yeah... really surprised. =) Totally wasn't expecting that! But, really excited for them!

I just wonder if she's been courting someone for a significant amount of time, or if they're betrothal people who begin the relationship with an engagement.

They've been courting.

Yeah... really surprised. =) Totally wasn't expecting that! But, really excited for them!

I just wonder if she's been courting someone for a significant amount of time, or if they're betrothal people who begin the relationship with an engagement.

Yeah, Sarah said they had been courting. I have yet to figure out what betrothal means exactly…

Yeah... really surprised. =) Totally wasn't expecting that! But, really excited for them!

I just wonder if she's been courting someone for a significant amount of time, or if they're betrothal people who begin the relationship with an engagement.

Yeah, Sarah said they had been courting. I have yet to figure out what betrothal means exactly...

^Not trying very hard to make it sound appealing… :P^

Basically, your parents choose whom you're going to marry, get you engaged, and tell you to make it work. :P

Yeah... really surprised. =) Totally wasn't expecting that! But, really excited for them!

I just wonder if she's been courting someone for a significant amount of time, or if they're betrothal people who begin the relationship with an engagement.

Yeah, Sarah said they had been courting. I have yet to figure out what betrothal means exactly...

^Not trying very hard to make it sound appealing... :P^ Basically, your parents choose whom you're going to marry, get you engaged, and tell you to make it work. :P

WHAT ON EARTH?!

Yeah... really surprised. =) Totally wasn't expecting that! But, really excited for them!

I just wonder if she's been courting someone for a significant amount of time, or if they're betrothal people who begin the relationship with an engagement.

Yeah, Sarah said they had been courting. I have yet to figure out what betrothal means exactly...

I found a definition that I quite liked at one time, which actually persuaded me that betrothal may actually be a legitimate way to go for a lot of people. Let me go find it for you.

Yeah... really surprised. =) Totally wasn't expecting that! But, really excited for them!

I just wonder if she's been courting someone for a significant amount of time, or if they're betrothal people who begin the relationship with an engagement.

Yeah, Sarah said they had been courting. I have yet to figure out what betrothal means exactly...

^Not trying very hard to make it sound appealing... :P^ Basically, your parents choose whom you're going to marry, get you engaged, and tell you to make it work. :P

Um. No. That's arranged marriage. Gross misconception.

^Not trying very hard to make it sound appealing... :P^ Basically, your parents choose whom you're going to marry, get you engaged, and tell you to make it work. :P

WHAT ON EARTH?!

Except it sounds a lot better in nicer terms, which Christian is apparently about to show you. xP

Yeah... really surprised. =) Totally wasn't expecting that! But, really excited for them!

I just wonder if she's been courting someone for a significant amount of time, or if they're betrothal people who begin the relationship with an engagement.

Yeah, Sarah said they had been courting. I have yet to figure out what betrothal means exactly...

^Not trying very hard to make it sound appealing... :P^ Basically, your parents choose whom you're going to marry, get you engaged, and tell you to make it work. :P

Um. No. That's arranged marriage. Gross misconception.

Okay. So, I'm waiting anxiously for that betrothal quote then…

^Not trying very hard to make it sound appealing... :P^ Basically, your parents choose whom you're going to marry, get you engaged, and tell you to make it work. :P

Um. No. That's arranged marriage. Gross misconception.

Oh. My apologies for being misinformed… :P

^Not trying very hard to make it sound appealing... :P^ Basically, your parents choose whom you're going to marry, get you engaged, and tell you to make it work. :P

WHAT ON EARTH?!

Except it sounds a lot better in nicer terms, which Christian is apparently about to show you. xP

…or not. xD

Except it sounds a lot better in nicer terms, which Christian is apparently about to show you. xP

...or not. xD

Yeah, yeah. :P

Yeah... really surprised. =) Totally wasn't expecting that! But, really excited for them!

I just wonder if she's been courting someone for a significant amount of time, or if they're betrothal people who begin the relationship with an engagement.

Yeah, Sarah said they had been courting. I have yet to figure out what betrothal means exactly...

^Not trying very hard to make it sound appealing... :P^ Basically, your parents choose whom you're going to marry, get you engaged, and tell you to make it work. :P

Um. No. That's arranged marriage. Gross misconception.

Okay. So, I'm waiting anxiously for that betrothal quote then...

In a betrothal model, there is no intermediate courtship stage. There is friendship and then there is betrothal or engagement. The two young people initially get to know each other as friends, in a non-romantic setting. They may do this at family get-togethers, or in church or group functions. Ideally, in a betrothal setting, a young man will evaluate a potential wife based on an objective set of Biblical standards and criteria, and if he feels God wants him to marry a certain young woman, he submits this idea to his parents.If his parents affirm that he should propose to a certain young lady, he then talks to her father. You may have heard the archaic term “pledging your troth.” It sounds funny, but it means that you are pledging your “loyalty, faithfulness and devotion.” Thus the young man makes a binding commitment to the young woman, and pledges to be faithful to her as long as they both shall live. If the father rejects the young man’s offer, the young man should have the integrity to move on with his life, and not hurt the emotions of the young lady. She should never know he has even proposed.

If the young woman’s father feels that this young man is the one who should marry his daughter, he and his wife talk to their daughter, and the decision is left with her. Her reply to the young man must be one that is approached with sobriety and prayer. If she says no, the father tells the young man, and he respects the young lady’s wishes. (A betrothal is not in any way a prearranged marriage which leaves the young people with no choice in the matter of who they marry. Even the Biblical Rebekah was asked if she would go away and marry Isaac. The decision was hers.) If she is in agreement, they become betrothed, or engaged, and set a date for the wedding. During the betrothal stage, they have the freedom to become emotionally bonded with each other, since both have committed to marriage. Betrothal is similar to courtship in that it insists that the young people must avoid inordinate physical contact. In fact, my wife and I kissed for the first time at the wedding altar.In Biblical times, a betrothal was legally binding and in order to break off a betrothal the young man had to give his betrothed a certificate of divorce. They were considered legally bound and committed to marriage. – Israel Wayne

I actually really, really like the model as presented here. I may end up using it someday. One of the reasons I like it so much is because it goes against the grain of the world so distinctly. You wouldn't even have the "big proposal" that's supposedly so pivotal for engagement relationships these days. I just think it'd be cool to do something so differently than the world does it. ;)

It's also attractive because it restricts emotional intimacy to people who are strongly committed to pursuing a marriage relationship. Which is exactly how it should be if hearts are to be protected. And even in courtships that can be a problem.

So I just realized how confusing this is. I don't really know Elissa or her friend… but the guy's mother's cousin's son's brother-in-law's friend's sister is like my best friend. 0.o uhh I think.

So I just realized how confusing this is. I don't really know Elissa or her _friend…_ but the guy's mother's cousin's son's brother-in-law's friend's sister is like my best friend. 0.o uhh I think.

XDDDDDD That's really awesome. x)

The one question I would raise… the father never tells the girl? That doesn't seem right, possibly. Depending on how the girl is. If the girl happens to like the guy as well, the guy calls the dad, the dad says no… and the girl is just waiting for the day for when she hears from her dad if the guy has made any effort in saying anything about a possible relationship?

But, in the case, if the girl doesn't care or has no desire for the guy, then it doesn't seem like it would matter too much..

Very interesting though, and I had never heard of that before.

Btw, this is a link to the lengthier article that contained the definition: http://www.reaganramm.com/2013/09/i-kissed-courtship-goodbye.html

I thought the perspective was refreshing and thought-provoking, to the extent that it really persuaded me to think that I might end up going that route someday.

So I just realized how confusing this is. I don't really know Elissa or her _friend…_ but the guy's mother's cousin's son's brother-in-law's friend's sister is like my best friend. 0.o uhh I think.

The guy's mother's cousin's son would basically be his cousin (so that's all unnecessary :P), but that's pretty weird and cool. xP

The one question I would raise... the father never tells the girl? That doesn't seem right, possibly. Depending on how the girl is. If the girl happens to like the guy as well, the guy calls the dad, the dad says no... and the girl is just waiting for the day for when she hears from her dad if the guy has made any effort in saying anything about a possible relationship? But, in the case, if the girl doesn't care or has no desire for the guy, then it doesn't seem like it would matter too much.. Very interesting though, and I had never heard of that before.

In that situation, I would expect that the girl would be open with her father about a guy that she likes, and the dad would explain to the girl why he doesn't think the guy is right for her – and he could do this without explaining that the guy had approached him and asked about her, and that he had told the guy no.

And… another question - how would it be different in courtship? Meaning, that in a courtship, you technically can still break it off because you never made any huge commitment in the first place? (I mean, they have made a commitment, but nothing like the betrothal commitment you just said)

So I just realized how confusing this is. I don't really know Elissa or her _friend…_ but the guy's mother's cousin's son's brother-in-law's friend's sister is like my best friend. 0.o uhh I think.

The guy's mother's cousin's son would basically be his cousin (so that's all unnecessary :P), but that's pretty weird and cool. xP

Whatever :P

The one question I would raise... the father never tells the girl? That doesn't seem right, possibly. Depending on how the girl is. If the girl happens to like the guy as well, the guy calls the dad, the dad says no... and the girl is just waiting for the day for when she hears from her dad if the guy has made any effort in saying anything about a possible relationship? But, in the case, if the girl doesn't care or has no desire for the guy, then it doesn't seem like it would matter too much.. Very interesting though, and I had never heard of that before.

In that situation, I would expect that the girl would be open with her father about a guy that she likes, and the dad would explain to the girl why he doesn't think the guy is right for her -- and he could do this without explaining that the guy had approached him and asked about her, and that he had told the guy no.

And the reason behind why you wouldn't tell the girl…? Just curious, that's all.

That's really neat. XD

……I don't particularly like feeling like the automatic stereotyper. facedesk

What are you talking about?

And... another question - how would it be different in courtship? Meaning, that in a courtship, you technically can still break it off because you never made any huge commitment in the first place? (I mean, they have made a commitment, but nothing like the betrothal commitment you just said)

It's different in courtship primarily because in courtship there is an emotional connection that is permitted to develop before the strong commitment to marriage found in engagement is ensured. So you can court someone, attach your heart to them, think of them in a romantic way, etc., all without the commitment to marriage. Which means that heartbreak can more easily occur if it is discovered that the two are ultimately incompatible for marriage.

The point of the betrothal process is to prevent such heartbreak, as much as possible, by allowing a mostly-casual friendship to determine and answer a lot of compatibility issues and questions. Then once those are out of the way, a serious commitment is made, which is only broken under very extreme circumstances.

What are you talking about?

Without sufficient information, I blurted out what I thought betrothal was, and was woefully wrong. :P

The one question I would raise... the father never tells the girl? That doesn't seem right, possibly. Depending on how the girl is. If the girl happens to like the guy as well, the guy calls the dad, the dad says no... and the girl is just waiting for the day for when she hears from her dad if the guy has made any effort in saying anything about a possible relationship? But, in the case, if the girl doesn't care or has no desire for the guy, then it doesn't seem like it would matter too much.. Very interesting though, and I had never heard of that before.

In that situation, I would expect that the girl would be open with her father about a guy that she likes, and the dad would explain to the girl why he doesn't think the guy is right for her -- and he could do this without explaining that the guy had approached him and asked about her, and that he had told the guy no.

And the reason behind why you wouldn't tell the girl...? Just curious, that's all.

What's the reason to? That would almost tempt her to go behind her father's back and pursue something with the guy, because she now has the knowledge that he was interested in her. But if she just trusts her father's judgment, then she can open her eyes to other guys that her father approves of, instead of being fixated on this one that he rejected.