Social Chatting -- July 2015

I wonder if Zach is still around...

Yea, I'm still around :)

NOOO!! The Practice Online Tests are comprised of last year’s Local Test questions.

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That was in the official email…. :(

Oh well, they gotta be fair I suppose.

Yeah… I wondered how they were going to do that without giving the questions away..

I think Proverbs 18:17 would advise us not to read one review and then reject all other reviews based on that.
My next Fun Friday will be a review of it… don't know if you watch FF or not.

I agree. This is not merely one review. It is a compilation of several.

I agree. This is not merely one review. It is a compilation of several.

Sorry; I should have said "one SIDE."

Oh! For some reason, I didn't see your list of reasons when you first posted it. Sorry; I'll read that now.

Sorry; I should have said "one SIDE."

The movie may have some good points, but don't all movies have at least one thing good about them? If there is something bad, ought we to fill our minds with it?

https://www.facebook.com/407294759328302/videos/vb.407294759328302/894472597277180/?type=2&theater

What is it?

That was in the official email.... :(

It's so bad…our email is locked up so no emails are coming through. x(

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Romeo and Juliet.

Ok. Is it a school play at your school?

The movie may have some good points, but don't all movies have at least one thing good about them? If there is something bad, ought we to fill our minds with it?

It's not a perfect movie. But the good HUGELY outweighs the bad. Have you ever seen a perfect movie? I haven't. In Flywheel, Judy Austin was an arrogant wife. That issue is never addressed; it's not made to look bad. So using your logic, that's a bad movie too. (I'm assuming you've seen it.)

Oh, so you've fallen for the LGBT conspiracy theory. I don't believe that any more than I believe our president is Osama Bin Laden in disguise (yes, some people actually think that and have surprisingly convincing evidence). I believe there is one two-second, non-essential scene that was intended to be taken that way–and even that is ambiguous. Otherwise, there is nothing of the sort–certainly not an agenda behind the entire story.

Oh great we're debating on SC makes a face

But in Flywheel Judy Austin wasn't the 'hero' of the story whose actions would be imitated by kids who want to 'be just like him' or 'just like her'.

If that's not the case, then why let it go? What's to let go? Are we letting go of parental authority? Letting go of morality? What?

Yes.

But in Flywheel Judy Austin wasn't the 'hero' of the story whose actions would be imitated by kids who want to 'be just like him' or 'just like her'. If that's not the case, then why let it go? What's to let go? Are we letting go of parental authority? Letting go of morality? What?

Well, actually, Anna was more of the main character than Elsa was. Elsa wasn't seen very often; most of the movie was Anna trying to find Elsa to save her. Also, when Elsa did the whole "let it go" thing, she regretted that later. That's why I wish people wouldn't sing the song like they do; they take it out of context! So the "let it go" thing was made to look bad. But to answer your last question, she was letting go of her fear of using her fantasy power. At the end, she learns that she can use it for good, but she regrets how she abused it in the past. And there are so many things we can apply that to. The second amendment, just to pick one example.

If Anna was more of the main character, then why is Elsa more popular? And don't you think Hollywood knew the song would be sung 'out of context' as you put it?
And why was she not using her fantasy power? Because her parents wouldn't let her. And why? Because as you said, she abused it in the past. A kind parent is going to want their kid's irresponsibility to not be blared to the public, so there was nothing wrong with them wanting her to keep it in. And so as soon as she learns how to use it for good, she can disobey her parents and just let it go? How does this go with Ephesians 6:1?

Hey Zach! I got a quick question…where do I download week 3 of the SG?

Login to your family control panel on biblebee.org and it should be on the page for study resources I think.

Login to your family control panel on biblebee.org and it should be on the page for study resources I think.

I tried that but it wasn't there :/

If Anna was more of the main character, then why is Elsa more popular? And don't you think Hollywood knew the song would be sung 'out of context' as you put it? And why was she not using her fantasy power? Because her parents wouldn't let her. And why? Because as you said, she abused it in the past. A kind parent is going to want their kid's irresponsibility to not be blared to the public, so there was nothing wrong with them wanting her to keep it in. And so as soon as she learns how to use it for good, she can disobey her parents and just let it go? How does this go with Ephesians 6:1?

Elsa is more popular because everyone sings Let It Go.
When her power was blared to the public, that was actually an accident on her part. But her parents didn't want her to never use it again; they wanted her to learn to control it. They wanted her to learn to use it for good. And at the end of the movie, when she finally did learn to use it for good, her parents were dead, she was an adult, and she was the queen.

Do you see the "Bible Bee materials released" button after you login? The SG should be on the page when you click the button

Do you see the "Bible Bee materials released" button after you login? The SG should be on the page when you click the button

Oh nevermind I found it :p It's on the BB site under SG
Thx for the help!

Then if her parents weren't wanting her to keep it in, then what was the point of letting it go?

Yep you're welcome!

Then if her parents weren't wanting her to keep it in, then what was the point of letting it go?

At the time she copped the "let it go" attitude, she hadn't yet learned to use it for good. And that's the conflict.

Say! I just thought of something! Did you see Beyond the Mask?

No, I haven't

No, I haven't

Okay… I ask because the hero of the story is a former gangster, and some of his gangster actions are shown at the beginning. Throughout the movie, he tries to win salvation by works. All this is done by the hero. But that's the conflict–he has to learn the proper way to do things.

Likewise with Frozen. The whole "let it go" thing is the conflict. The whole plot revolves around putting an end to that. Saying that Frozen promotes rebellion is like saying Sherlock Holmes promotes murder.

Having never seen Beyond The Mask I cannot compare the two. I have never said that Frozen promotes rebellion or rebellious nature. Disobedience to parents, yes, but rebellion, no. Disobedience to parents is only a part of rebellion. That's like saying that all weapons are nuclear.

Having never seen Beyond The Mask I cannot compare the two. I have never said that Frozen promotes rebellion or rebellious nature. Disobedience to parents, yes, but rebellion, no. Disobedience to parents is only a part of rebellion. That's like saying that all weapons are nuclear.

Well, you said it promotes rebellion to parents, then. Whatever. Okay, I'll rephrase my statement.

Saying that Frozen promotes disobedience to parents is like saying Sherlock Holmes promotes murder.

There.

No it's not. If Beyond The Mask just shows clips of his former live, it is not at all the same because the plot does not revolve around the violent behavior. If your description is accurate, then it is a movie about Sherlock Holmes finding out the right way to be saved, from works based to faith based, but just clips of his gang life are in there? If so, it is a non related argument.

No it's not. If Beyond The Mask just shows clips of his former live, it is not at all the same because the plot does not revolve around the violent behavior. If your description is accurate, then it is a movie about Sherlock Holmes finding out the right way to be saved, from works based to faith based, but just clips of his gang life are in there? If so, it is a non related argument.

Beyond the Mask is not a Sherlock Holmes movie. Since you haven't seen the film, I'm using Sherlock Holmes as an example. And the story does NOT center around Elsa's disobedience. It centers around Anna trying to get Elsa to stop disobeying!

It's debatable whether or not she was really disobeying, because her parents were dead, she was an adult, and she was the queen! But either way, her decision was wrong. Whether it was disobedience to parents or just irresponsible behavior, or both, it was made to look WRONG; it's the conflict of the story. She has to learn NOT to be that way. And the majority of the movie follows Anna and Kristoff as they try to find Elsa so they can get her to STOP.

In Sherlock Holmes, murder is the BAD thing. In Frozen, Elsa's actions are the BAD thing. So stop saying the bad thing is made to look good.

You should make a topic called "Frozen Debates".

The movie may center around Anna trying to get Elsa to stop disobeying, but the theater is only the beginning. What a person remembers after the movie is what the movie really is about. Ask anyone "What's Frozen about?" and they'll say "Oh, Elsa and Let It Go". And if she wasn't disobeying, why then would Anna need to stop her? Because she was disobeying. The character that is remembered most from the movie, which is Elsa, and not Anna or Kristoff or Olaf or whoever, should not be a character whose most well remembered characteristic is their let it go disobedience. And I'm not saying the bad thing is the good thing, you are by saying that Frozen is not a bad movie despite all of this.

I think some Christian reviews falsely accuse the movie because legalistic Christians enjoy hating on Disney. So they'll find any reason they can to do so. Sometimes Disney deserves to be criticized. But whenever Disney comes out with a good movie, Christians will be like the people following Daniel, trying to find something wrong in it–and if they can't, they make up some way it could possibly misinterpreted. In the case of the pathetic reviews that twist Frozen, people hear Let It Go being used out of context and take advantage of that. They don't even pay attention to what the plot is really about.

Have you read my last post?

Just because people misinterpret the movie doesn't mean the movie is bad. People also misinterpret the Bible, making up Biblical evidence that homosexuality is okay. But that's not God's fault; the problem lies with those misinterpreting it.

If she wasn't disobeying, they would need to stop her because she was being irresponsible and reckless. She was the queen.

Have you read my last post?

I was typing it as you were typing your last post. You posted shortly before I did. :-)

That is an unusable argument. The Bible is always good and true, whereas Disney movies quite often are not.

So being the queen makes everything okay? Does being the queen make you better than your parents? Is being a queen a license to do whatever one wants?

Have you read my last post?

I was typing it as you were typing your last post. You posted shortly before I did. :-)

Oh, ok :)

Not all of Disney's movies are good and true, but there are separate movies. Frozen is good and true, or at least the story doesn't teach anything wrong.

No; being a queen is not a license to do whatever you want; that's why Anna and Kristoff had to stop her. But she was an adult, not a child; and her parents were dead. In either case, she was no longer under their authority. I know that's debatable, but it's not the point of this discussion… so I don't know why I just typed that. :-P The point is that if there is disobedience, it's made to look BAD.

You haven't even seen the movie. I have. And if you pay half attention to the plot, you'll see a pattern. As a result of Elsa's behavior, everyone distrusts her–a consequence she deserves; she accidentally puts an eternal winter on her kingdom; and she almost accidentally kills her sister. That doesn't sound like it's making it look good to me!

Even if the story line is good, which I believe it is not, and we could go all year long debating it, a move is more than just what it is at the theater. What you remember from it a week later is what the movie is about.
Lets say there's a really good movie that just came out. Lets say the plot and story line are great. But there is one section, just 10 minutes long, that hints at demon worship. If the key thing that people take away from that movie is the demon part, is it a good movie? Of course not! Now if it was say 30 seconds long, and people took away with them the plot of the movie, not the demon part, then would it be a good movie? Sure, why not! Same thing with Frozen. Elsa is the most remembered character, and the most remembered part of the movie is the Let It Go song, which as you yourself said, was part of her disobedient period.

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If what you'll remember when you read Sherlock Holmes is the gory murder scene, then you shouldn't read it. But what I remember is the witty detective persevering for justice.

People can read the reviews and decide for themselves if the movie will be a good choice for them. For me, it was a wonderful choice. It had great inspiration for me, and I'd definitely see it again. For you, it sounds like a terrible choice that would you would be better off spiritually having not seen. Because everyone's mind works differently, it will have different effects on some than others.

So have we come to agreement?

Oh goodness gracious! What did my little question start here? Lol

From what I know, a lot of people in my circles actually like  and sing "do you wanna build a snow man "  more than "Let it Go".