Why not kill the Abortion Doctor?

@Eirene @"Anna M." nice list of verses but most are just reinstating (or quoting) "thou shalt not kill" In the Exodus which then commands the stoning of witches and adulterers. so is it really expressly forbidding ever taking human life? if so your bible contradicts itself and you all have a problem.

about James 2 the verse deals more with the principle of having broken one law your guilty rather then specifically the crimes related to killing. not all killing is illegal, murder is, but the someone has to execute the murder.

bare in mind (1.) Kill and murder are not synonyms and (2.) the bible wasn't written in English the translators just used which ever word they thought was best.

@Peter B: First of all, the Bible never contradicts itself, even if it seems like it at times when we can't understand something. Secondly, isn't it your Bible as well as ours?

I'm not saying that it's sin for the government to execute someone, or to kill someone in a war, as long as the cause of the war is not wrong. In fact I do believe it's necessary sometimes.

Murder is "The crime of killing another person deliberately and not in self-defense or with any other extenuating circumstance recognized by law."

I agree with you that the words "kill" and "murder" are not very close synonyms, if at all. The reason I used a slash in between them is because some versions of the Bible use the word "kill," and others use "murder."

The Hebrew word for kill in Exodus 20:13 (KJV) is "ratsach," which throughout the Bible is also translated as slayer(16x), murderer(14x), kill(5x), murder(3x), slain(3x), manslayer(2x), killing(1x), slayer(1x), slayeth(1x), death(1x). The Hebrew word means: "to murder, slay, kill, premeditated, as avenger, slayer (intentional) (participle), to be slain, to murder, assassinate, murderer, assassin (participle)(subst), to be killed."

As for James 2:11: "For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law." James is saying that if we commit one sin, and nothing else, we're guilty. But that doesn't take away from the fact that we are told not to murder.

So…why not kill the abortion doctor? Because it is not the responsibility of individual people/citizens or whatever you want to call them, to deal out punishments/vengeance to whoever they think deserves it. It is the government's responsibility to punish people, and if need be, execute them. Sadly, our government is for abortion, and we should witness to people and try to change that. But not by committing murder. God has not given us that responsibility. He will deal with the abortion doctors. Our job is to pray for them.

Our family likes to go stand and pray in front of an abortion clinic during the Forty Days For Life program. I hope we are a witness to people, especially with our big family of 11 children:)

I hope I explained that fairly well. Tell me if something I said wasn't clear.

I would agree with all of that, the Bible dose not contradict itself and it would be wrong to kill abortion doctors, but you must come to terms with the fact that the Bible dose not condemn all taking human life (which is what i was asking a reference for) and from what you said neither do you.

"Where did God expressly forbid us from taking the life of a human being?" Answer: He didn't. 'Thou shalt not kill' is a good principle but we cant do what the pharisees did and make a hard-fast laws out of it.

Now i'm still not saying it would be right to kill an abortion doctor, i agree with you it would not, but how we come to that conclusion is just as important.

Okay, so I think a better way to phrase the question: "Where did God expressly forbid us from taking the life of a human being?" would be to say: Where in the Bible did God forbid taking the life of a human being? Instead of adding the "us" in there, as I think you agree with me that it is not our responsibility.

I think that there are two things that we should never do without a lot of prayer and a very solid, Biblical reason:

1. Take the law in our own hands.
2. Take the life of another human being.

Killing an abortion doctor would be doing both of these. There may be a time and a place for everything, but I would say that the time for killing an abortion doctor is not going to be very often at all. The reason that we believe that abortion is wrong is, in essence, because we believe that the life of every human being is sacred – and this includes the life of the abortion doctor. So killing someone because we believe that life is sacred is probably not going to really save any lives or send the message that abortion is wrong. The mothers will just go to another abortion doctor, and I think that you'll agree with me that we shouldn't go around killing every abortion doctor.

I'm probably not going to discuss this anymore. I feel like this is sort of going in circles.

@Eirene well its the same thing and that's not how Lydia Bruce worded it. Actually I would disagree, it is our responsibility; unfortunately the law commands good men to do nothing, so evil flourishes. Change the law so the abortion docters can be found guilty in the courts (which found Hillary innocent) and then we could go about bring them to justice.

@"Anna M." If you shed mans blood by man your blood shall be shed. All men are created equal but some have lowered themselves, killing children is one way to forfeit your human rights But as long as they'er protected by the law their safe.

@Peter B: I'm sorry, I don't think I understand what you said. You think it is our responsibility, to kill people, when (we think) they deserve it? Is there a place in the Bible where God gives that responsibility to the common people?

I don't really feel like we're getting anywhere with this discussion, kind of like Anna said… and I think I've made my views on the subject pretty clear, so I probably won't post again.

Yes, How is that confusing? Do justice, love mercy, and walk humbly with your God. (Micah 6:8) basically the whole bible is written to common people as well as common people who have guns to back them up. Conversely Is there a place God specifies it as the responsibility of the Government?

You haven't convinced me I'm wrong but if you don't want to continue i can't make you.

Uhh…Peter, I hate to be so blunt, but the reason that I wanted to stop talking about this is that I had difficulty understanding from your writing style if this was an argument or an open-minded (in a good way) discussion. To me, it looked like it was heading in the argument direction, and so I felt like I needed to stop talking. Arguments are only worthwhile if they are open to reason and have a Biblical purpose. Once I get into an argument, I sometimes have difficulty being rational, and I felt like this one wasn't going to be healthy for me. I also couldn't tell from what you said whether you were for or against killing abortion doctors, which made it hard to discuss.

Once again, I apologize for my bluntness, and I hope that you were not offended by it. It's very difficult for me to speak the truth without being overly blunt…probably an area that I need to work on :).

@"Anna M (Psalm 73:25-26)" I don't see anything wrong with what you've just said but what i said was rude, I'm sorry I should be more respectful.

I'll try to be a little more clear. Killing an abortion doctor would be wrong because you would have to brake laws to do it. what i disagree with is the idea that it's bad because it means someone would die. I understand death is not a pleasant thing and people want to distance themselves as much as they can from it but we cannot "teaching as doctrine the traditions of man." (which is what i was replying to originally asking for a reference).

@"Peter B." Thank you for your humility; I appreciate that. Thank you also for clarifying. I agree with you that there is a time to kill (Ecclesiastes 3:3), but we need to be very, very sure that we have a good, Scripture-backed reason before we do so.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

I think that for abortion we need to go to the heart of the problem. Sin. All the people who are going into the "clinic" are there because of some kind of sin. Sometimes it wasn't theirs, but they were abused. Still, the baby shouldn't have to pay for someone else's sin. I think the answer is reaching these people for Jesus, even the abortionists. I think you should witness at the clinic. MANY babies have been saved that way. You will save many more lives witnessing at a clinic once a week than if you killed an abortionist and spent the rest of your life in prison. If you kill the abortionist, a different one will do the abortion. The answer isn't politics either. Abortion was around long before it was legalized. We have to reach America for Jesus, and then people won't be needing abortion. It's way more work to evangelize, but well worth it. Vengence is God's, if it is His will, He will kill the abortionist. I don't think we have the right to kill outside of self defense. God is quite capable of killing abortionists. I hope none of you are offended…

Nope, sounds pretty flat out and simple to me. We are not the Judge: God will Judge them.

You are right!