Music

Mhmm. Today. I learned how much I dislike secular music. It's absolutely dreadful!!!!

So, does this mean you and COS can never be?

*Glares* QUIT IT!!!

AHA! So, you want you two to, ahem, "be", and so you're trying to avoid the fact that he does like some secular music (which, you do. Classical music isn't Christian music [I know about Handel's Messiah, that doesn't apply here. :P]) so as not to contradict yourself (which you already are)!

Totally called it.

Mhmm. Today. I learned how much I dislike secular music. It's absolutely dreadful!!!!

So, does this mean you and COS can never be?

*Glares* QUIT IT!!!

AHA! So, you *want* you two to, ahem, "be", and so you're trying to avoid the fact that he does like some secular music (which, you do. Classical music isn't Christian music [I know about Handel's Messiah, that doesn't apply here. :P]) so as not to contradict yourself (which you already are)! Totally called it.

SAMUEL ELLIOTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT IS NOT TRUEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mhmm. Today. I learned how much I dislike secular music. It's absolutely dreadful!!!!

So, does this mean you and COS can never be?

*Glares* QUIT IT!!!

AHA! So, you *want* you two to, ahem, "be", and so you're trying to avoid the fact that he does like some secular music (which, you do. Classical music isn't Christian music [I know about Handel's Messiah, that doesn't apply here. :P]) so as not to contradict yourself (which you already are)! Totally called it.

SAMUEL ELLIOTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT IS NOT TRUEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

…if "E" is silent in the word "true", are you actually making any noise?

Mhmm. Today. I learned how much I dislike secular music. It's absolutely dreadful!!!!

So, does this mean you and COS can never be?

*Glares* QUIT IT!!!

AHA! So, you *want* you two to, ahem, "be", and so you're trying to avoid the fact that he does like some secular music (which, you do. Classical music isn't Christian music [I know about Handel's Messiah, that doesn't apply here. :P]) so as not to contradict yourself (which you already are)! Totally called it.

SAMUEL ELLIOTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT IS NOT TRUEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

...if "E" is silent in the word "true", are you actually making any noise?

I was just emphasising the word.

Mhmm. Today. I learned how much I dislike secular music. It's absolutely dreadful!!!!

So, does this mean you and COS can never be?

*Glares* QUIT IT!!!

AHA! So, you *want* you two to, ahem, "be", and so you're trying to avoid the fact that he does like some secular music (which, you do. Classical music isn't Christian music [I know about Handel's Messiah, that doesn't apply here. :P]) so as not to contradict yourself (which you already are)! Totally called it.

SAMUEL ELLIOTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT IS NOT TRUEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

...if "E" is silent in the word "true", are you actually making any noise?

I was just emphasising the word.

Yelling silently doesn't really help to emphasize anything. :P

hundreds of facedesks Samuel Elliot, I think your teasing is going a little too far this time.

Whatever. How about this…

SAMUEL ELLIOTT!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT IS NOT TRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUE!!!!!!

Whatever. How about this... SAMUEL ELLIOTT!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT IS NOT TRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUE!!!!!!

That's better! :D

Whatever. How about this... SAMUEL ELLIOTT!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT IS NOT TRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUE!!!!!!

That's better! :D

facedesk

*hundreds of facedesks* Samuel Elliot, I think your teasing is going a little too far this time.

We were at a 'conservative' church today, and I decided to come down hard on them. OK, I'm kind of kidding there. :) Their service was a 'vibrant' service- a mixture of 'traditional hymns' and 'a few modern Christian songs'. *You probably wouldn't like attending our church...* OK, one, I realized how depressing the 'conservative modern' songs are. They aren't grand like the old hymns, they aren't stimulating like the liberal 'music', they're just _depressing_. *They're depressing to you because you don't like the style. A person will feel happy listening to songs they like; and they will feel depressed listening to a style they don't like. I could have predicted you would have felt that way. This has no bearings whatsoever on the discussion. Oh, BTW, have you ever read Psalm 88? If anything is depressing, that psalm is.* Two, there was absolutely _no_ theological depth. They were just mushy songs, much like a love song a man would sing to his wife. Is that really an appropriate way to express our love of God? *First of all, could you give an example of "no theological depth"?* *If you feel it is inappropriate, I will try to have a Romans 14 attitude; but what really is wrong with expressing love to God in this way? You know, Christ is the church's bridegroom!* And then, they went and put 'O The Deep, Deep Love of Jesus' to the tune of _'Come Thou Fount'_. Seriously? _*Seriously?*_ That does not fit at all!!!! *This is not actually a contemporary practice. You don't like it, but what is sinful about it??* Anyhoo, that's my little speel of frustration on this particular church :)

OK, one, I realized how depressing the 'conservative modern' songs are. They aren't grand like the old hymns, they aren't stimulating like the liberal 'music', they're just _depressing_. *They're depressing to you because you don't like the style. A person will feel happy listening to songs they like; and they will feel depressed listening to a style they don't like. I could have predicted you would have felt that way. This has no bearings whatsoever on the discussion. Oh, BTW, have you ever read Psalm 88? If anything is depressing, that psalm is.* _I think anyone would say they were depressing. They were just... just... melancholy._ Two, there was absolutely _no_ theological depth. They were just mushy songs, much like a love song a man would sing to his wife. Is that really an appropriate way to express our love of God? *First of all, could you give an example of "no theological depth"?* *If you feel it is inappropriate, I will try to have a Romans 14 attitude; but what really is wrong with expressing love to God in this way? You know, Christ is the church's bridegroom!* _Yeah, but_ agape _is different than_ storgay. (I think) And then, they went and put 'O The Deep, Deep Love of Jesus' to the tune of _'Come Thou Fount'_. Seriously? _*Seriously?*_ That does not fit at all!!!! *This is not actually a contemporary practice. You don't like it, but what is sinful about it??* _Nothing sinful about it, it just didn't fit._ Anyhoo, that's my little speel of frustration on this particular church :)

When the prostitutes from the Temple of Diana were converted and came to the church, was it appropriate for them to bring in some of the practices from that temple into the church?

Even the way they wore their hair was a problem, because it was identified with prostitution, thus 1 Timothy 2:9.

EDIT: The point of that is that there's no problem with the hairstyle itself, but it was used in Satanic worship, and so there was a problem with it.

Mhmm. Today. I learned how much I dislike secular music. It's absolutely dreadful!!!!

I thought you liked "When Somebody Loved Me", from Toy Story 2? Were you lying to me?

Mhmm. Today. I learned how much I dislike secular music. It's absolutely dreadful!!!!

I thought you liked "When Somebody Loved Me", from Toy Story 2? Were you lying to me?

I don't exactly like it…I don't like how it's sung at all. But it's definitely not near as bad as most secular music…that's for sure! But I should clarify…I don't like most secular music!

The question then is: What do you define as "secular"?

Something that is not "Christian"…something made/of the world. I guess… I'm dreadful at explaining things though…

Then by your definition, movie soundtracks, classical music, etc. are secular.

Okay, let me think how to define this in the way I mean it :) I don't like the secular music you hear people listening to in their cars…blaring loud…or the ones played in the store, etc…
Sorry.

Then by your definition, movie soundtracks, classical music, etc. are secular.

I think that is a perfectly good definition of secular music. But Carissa isn't saying she dislikes all secular music. ;)

Carissa is saying anything she dislikes is secular music, I think.

Okay, let me think how to define this in the way I mean it :) I don't like the secular music you hear people listening to in their cars...blaring loud...or the ones played in the store, etc... Sorry.

Generalize much? People can blast anything. Seriously. Just say "I don't like most secular music." and leave it at that. Hobby Lobby is a nice craft store, they play Christian music. Kinda ruins your generalization, doesn't it?

Okay, let me think how to define this in the way I mean it :) I don't like the secular music you hear people listening to in their cars...blaring loud...or the ones played in the store, etc... Sorry.

My mom blares Christian music loud from her car. ^Its embarrassing!^
As does my dad, but some might not call screamo Christian music, Christian…

Carissa is saying anything she dislikes is secular music, I think.

No, no, no!

Okay, let me think how to define this in the way I mean it :) I don't like the secular music you hear people listening to in their cars...blaring loud...or the ones played in the store, etc... Sorry.

Generalize much? People can blast anything. Seriously. Just say "I don't like most secular music." and leave it at that. Hobby Lobby is a nice craft store, they play Christian music. Kinda ruins your generalization, doesn't it?

I'm sorry. Sighs

Hobby Lobby is also run by Christians. They are an exception.

Well then what's wrong with Christian radio? That's run by Christians.

Most Christian radio plays the world's music, under the label of 'Christian', with 'good' words. But not all Christian radio. I'm listening to Christian radio right now, and haven't heard a single piece of that kind of 'music' all day, or in all the years that I've been listening to this station.

EDIT: See, there's the exception again!

And what he was saying is that Hobby Lobby plays hymns, and so I said that reason was because they were Christians.

An interesting statistic on Christian radio that I came across a while ago is that Christian radio is made to cater to unbelieving 30-some single soccer moms.

I would be very interested in hearing what all of you think about this piece of music;

A couple things to think about when you listen to it;
-This is an arrangement of a well-known hymn that you will find in many common hymnals.
-This music does incorporate elements that are used in jazz, rock, etc.
-Greg Howlett (the arranger) is a fairly well-known and boldly Christian pianist, who minored in music in college and is an active and respected church musician.

Just so you know, opinions are very much divided over this piece. Some people think it's great, others are convinced it's straight from hell. I don't expect everyone to agree, but I thought that it may be helpful to have some specific examples to look at during this discussion.

Thanks to everyone for keeping this discussion under control and communicating in a spirit of love and desire to learn; I know how easy it is for me to over-react to someone who disagrees with my viewpoint, so thank you for allowing us all to continue this discussion with gentleness and respect toward our fellow brothers and sisters.

Thanks to everyone for keeping this discussion under control and communicating in a spirit of love and desire to learn; I know how easy it is for me to over-react to someone who disagrees with my viewpoint, so thank you for allowing us all to continue this discussion with gentleness and respect toward our fellow brothers and sisters.

^It's been tough.^

Thanks to everyone for keeping this discussion under control and communicating in a spirit of love and desire to learn; I know how easy it is for me to over-react to someone who disagrees with my viewpoint, so thank you for allowing us all to continue this discussion with gentleness and respect toward our fellow brothers and sisters.

^It's been tough.^

I know it has. I've struggled with that very same thing myself many times, which is why I wanted to encourage everyone to make this an Ephesians 4:29 discussion.

So I listened to it…and didn't like it. It was way too jazzy and stuff. I don't think it's "straight from hell" but I definitely don't like it.

I don't think it's "straight from hell"

I do.

Hey Carissa/Arwen (Dani, right?). could you both tell me of a couple of fun/upbeat pieces of fairly well-known music that you like? And maybe what you like about them?

Hey Deadpool! could you both tell me of a couple of fun/upbeat pieces of fairly well-known music that you like? And maybe what you like about them?

I like the "Deadpool" chorus at the end of our game….

Hey Deadpool! could you both tell me of a couple of fun/upbeat pieces of fairly well-known music that you like? And maybe what you like about them?

I like the "Deadpool" chorus at the end of our game....

Are we having another argument?

Heh.

I showed a friend the "Media" TD, literally 2 hours ago. He was like "You guys are arguing about wasting your time…isn't raging over other people's decisions a waste of time?"

Hey Deadpool! could you both tell me of a couple of fun/upbeat pieces of fairly well-known music that you like? And maybe what you like about them?

I like the "Deadpool" chorus at the end of our game....

Are we having another argument? Heh. I showed a friend the "Media" TD, literally 2 hours ago. He was like "You guys are arguing about wasting your time...isn't raging over other people's decisions a waste of time?"

He warn't talking about me and DP, was he?!

Wait a minute - who is Sam? All this name switching/sharing is confusing me…

Hey Deadpool! could you both tell me of a couple of fun/upbeat pieces of fairly well-known music that you like? And maybe what you like about them?

I like the "Deadpool" chorus at the end of our game....

Are we having another argument? Heh. I showed a friend the "Media" TD, literally 2 hours ago. He was like "You guys are arguing about wasting your time...isn't raging over other people's decisions a waste of time?"

He warn't talking about me and DP, was he?!

He wasn't…and he did agree with our position.

But still. Isn't this pointless? Arguing with Dani isn't going to make her tolerate rock music, nor is she going to convince me to listen only to hymns. If we're trying to "edify" each other, shouldn't we just present our info, and leave it at that?

I know. I'm going to be a hypocrite, and not take my own advice. Conflict is inevitable. But…is it worth it?

Alls I'm asking.

Wait a minute - who is Sam? All this name switching/sharing is confusing me...

My good self, sir. And, I did receive your email. :)

Wait a minute - who is Sam? All this name switching/sharing is confusing me...

I'm Sam.

Arguing with Dani makes us happy….like we actually do have a purpose in life!

Aren't we ever gonna finish DP's RP?

Okay, thanks. :)

Wait a minute - who is Sam? All this name switching/sharing is confusing me...

I'm Sam.

Um…or maybe not? Is it Noah?

Wait a minute - who is Sam? All this name switching/sharing is confusing me...

I'm Sam.

Um...or maybe not?

No, no, no! Noah's playing a trick on you! I'm Sam!

Arguing with Dani makes us happy....like we actually _do_ have a purpose in life!

That's what you've got arguing with me about Batman's no-kill rule for. :P

Arguing with Dani makes us happy....like we actually _do_ have a purpose in life!

That's what you've got arguing with me about Batman's no-kill rule for. :P

Batman should've killed the Joker.

And…I have to go eat! Be back later maybe possibly sorta.

Wait a minute - who is Sam? All this name switching/sharing is confusing me...

I'm Sam.

Um...or maybe not?

No, no, no! Noah's playing a trick on you! I'm Sam!

Nice try at confuzzling Seth.

Seth. Ask me a question only I would know. Like…something about my username…