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I like most mexican food, jest not gasshoppers.

I actually haven't tried it :p
Do you like them cactuses?

I honestly think that video games are a major part of the new violence in our culture. Our culture has become de-sensitized to violence, and I think that it is through the video games in which you are actively killing things and people. Movies, for one are not you doing the act, and two, in LOTR, they are killing evil creatures, and not human beings.

And, would you all be a little more gracious when you respond to me? I have a very hard time controlling my temper, but I think that these are serious things that do need to be addressed, and I'm not going to stand by and be silent about them!

I honestly think that video games are a major part of the new violence in our culture. *AND YOU CAN PROVE IT! THERE WAS NEVER VIOLENCE BEFORE VIDEO GAMES! ALL THE HISTORY BOOKS ARE WRONG! VIOLENCE HAPPENED WITH THE CREATION OF PINBALL!* Our culture has become de-sensitized to violence, and I think that it is through the video games in which you are actively killing things and people. *REALLY? I'VE PLAYED VIDEO GAMES, AND I HAVE NEVER ACTIVELY OR PASSIVELY KILLED SOMEONE* Movies, for one are not _you_ doing the act,*YEAH, BUT YOU'RE IDOLIZING THEM* and two, in LOTR, they are killing evil creatures, and not human beings. *I THOUGHT KILLING _THINGS_ (SEE ABOVE) WAS BAD TOO!* And, would you all be a little more gracious when you respond to me? I have a _very_ hard time controlling my temper, *AS WE CAN TELL* but I think that these are serious things that do need to be addressed, and I'm not going to stand by and be silent about them! *DON'T PROTEST ABORTION, CHILD MOLESTING, COMMUNISM, OR MURDER! VIDEO GAMES ARE THE _REAL_ PROBLEM!*

I honestly think that video games are a major part of the new violence in our culture. *Yeah. Because our culture was known for peace and gentleness all throughout history, and we never committed any acts of unnecessary violence before 1972.* Our culture has become de-sensitized to violence, and I think that it is through the video games in which you are actively killing things and people. *Because video games are straight from hell and have nothing good about them, right?* Movies, for one are not _you_ doing the act, and two, in LOTR, they are killing evil creatures, and not human beings. *So, can I go watch some NC-17 rated movies now? I'm not the one commiting those acts of violence and immorality, so they must be fine. Oh, and BTW, isn't the Bible a violent book too?* And, would you all be a little more gracious when you respond to me? *Why?* I have a _very_ hard time controlling my temper, *Well then, we should shun you, because there are lots of verses in Proverbs warning us not to associate with quick-tempered people. BYE!* but I think that these are serious things that do need to be addressed, and I'm not going to stand by and be silent about them! *I think we've noticed that. Hm. So, you're saying that we're your little "mission field", and that you'll keep nagging us about our games for the rest of our lives and activity on MV? Go ahead. Gives me a cautionary tale to tell my kids who'll be here.*

Did you read that one comment Noah made after your post on prayer request?
"All serial killers, during their crime sprees, breathed air!"
Does that mean air is bad?
Should we all stop breathing now?
If there wasn't any air there wouldn't be killers! Or any violence in this world!

Does reading the violent Bible make you kill people? Watching a Bible movie with violence? (and if, hopefully, they make a Bible video game on the life of David or somebody), would that make you violent?

I honestly think that video games are a major part of the new violence in our culture. *Yeah. Because our culture was known for peace and gentleness all throughout history, and we never committed any acts of unnecessary violence before 1972.* Our culture has become de-sensitized to violence, and I think that it is through the video games in which you are actively killing things and people. *Because video games are straight from hell and have nothing good about them, right?* Movies, for one are not _you_ doing the act, and two, in LOTR, they are killing evil creatures, and not human beings. *So, can I go watch some NC-17 rated movies now? I'm not the one commiting those acts of violence and immorality, so they must be fine. Oh, and BTW, isn't the Bible a violent book too?* And, would you all be a little more gracious when you respond to me? *Why?* I have a _very_ hard time controlling my temper, *Well then, we should shun you, because there are lots of verses in Proverbs warning us not to associate with quick-tempered people. BYE!* but I think that these are serious things that do need to be addressed, and I'm not going to stand by and be silent about them! *I think we've noticed that. Hm. So, you're saying that we're your little "mission field", and that you'll keep nagging us about our games for the rest of our lives and activity on MV? Go ahead. Gives me a cautionary tale to tell my kids who'll be here.*

So true. I loved the NC-17 example!

So true. I loved the NC-17 example!

Does reading the violent Bible make you kill people? Watching a Bible movie with violence? (and if, hopefully, they make a Bible video game on the life of David or somebody), would that make you violent?

Sirs, your conversation does not become you as men striving to be like Christ. Put away foolish talking, and all slander, and let mocking have no place among you. Edify one another, admonish, and so fulfill the law of Christ. Be not unruly, but gentle showing meekness unto all. Love one another as Christ loves the Church.

We arnt a sir. :p

@Sauroc: Who's hacked your account and has been posting ridiculous remarks to me and Sam?

We arnt a sir. :p

Abigail. that's not the point.

^Sorry…^

Must be Harry Styles…

My biggest problem with them is that people spend so much time on them. If people spent as much time on movies (not counting TV), I'd probably avoid them. But video games are the biggest waste of time in our culture.

I'm also not saying that even though you are a Christian, you'll turn out this way, or you are this way. But 2 Peter 2:18-22 says:

18 For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped[d] from those who live in error. 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage. 20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,”[e] and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”

Tell me why they are more time-wasters than movies or novels, please.

@Sam, If you don't mind me giving my oppinion here, despite the fact that I am not Dani, I will. I don't think 1 hour of video games is more wastful than an hour of reading a novel, I think most people just spend a lot more time on games, than the other people spend on reading dumb books.

@Sam, If you don't mind me giving my oppinion here, despite the fact that I am not Dani, I will. I don't think 1 hour of video games is more wastful than an hour of reading a novel, I think most people just spend a lot more time on games, than the other people spend on reading dumb books.

I'd agree with you there. Here's how I see it:

A book is a paper medium that allows you to get into the mind of a character and see their world through their eyes, see how they think, and react. The sights and sounds of that book are mostly limited to your imagination, but powerful writing can bring out not only a mental, but a deep emotional response in the reader as well. A movie is the visual representation of a book, providing the viewer with optical and audible representations of the events of the book. It relies less on your imagination, but on your perception of the character. You can still see how the character reacts, but are not totally in sync with them, as you are with a book: there is a slight, but real, boundary between you and the character. A video game eliminates that boundary by giving you an element of control over the visual realization, and by placing you, the player, into the character's shoes. You make the choices for the character. You decide what they do, how the interact and react to different situations and events. Which makes it almost as amazing as a book, to me. I am see how they react, and why they do. I understand them nearly as I understand myself, which is the hallmark of a good writer. Which is why I fail to see why a book, is more of a time-waster than a video game.

My biggest problem with them is that people spend so much time on them. If people spent as much time on movies (not counting TV), I'd probably avoid them. *Is that the truth? Would you stop doing something you liked because other people abused it? Do people abuse the medium of movies? Apparently not, or you would stop watching them. Or would you?*

There are some good ones, but not that many. There are so many subtle, underlying messages in them. Besides, they're really a waste of time. Go make a table in the woodshop, or bake bread to sell at the farmer's market. Take care of animals. Learn an instrument! If I know who you are, maybe I'll tell you.

1. Still generalizing. 2. Are we going back to the "waste of time" argument? *ANYTHING* can be a waste of time. Why is it _*so*_ bad for me to play a video game, but not as bad for me to watch a movie, or build with LEGO, or something? 3. I am the shadow, that stalks you at night. I am the whisper, that haunts your thoughts. I am the memory of things long forgotten, returned to torment you. I am...what I am.

You're right. ANYTHING can be a waste of time. BUT - we can't kill all the birds with one shot. One step at a time. If something is a waste of time, this is not a valid argument: that we can still do it because there are other things that are just as much a waste of time.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm asking why she (and you, to some extent) make video games this _thing_, that is SO disturbingly time-wasting that nothing else compares. Why is a video game more of a time-waster than a novel? Or a movie? Or chatting on here?

It's not, necessarily. And since we already agreed that media is a big time-waster for the most part, I'm not going to get into that again. Besides, since we don't like video games and you do, both of us are prejudiced. :P

Avoiding the question by saying that there will not be a sufficient answer. In other words, you know that my argument is correct, and won't admit it. :)

Fine. I'll answer the question, though I thought I had already. :P A video game is NOT necessarily more of a time-waster than a novel. Or a movie. Or chatting on here. Sometimes those things are MORE of time-wasters than video games.

And I don't think I ever said otherwise, did I?

IKR? Well, to recap, I believe everyone here either agrees, or really can't say anything. *glances at Courtney and Dani M.* So. We gonna go out for tacos now?

Hey! Don't just cut me out of the conversation like that! I was gone.

Tell me why they are more time-wasters than movies or novels, please.

Look here. I have said, three times now, that they aren't! You can attack the great majority of novels and movies out there for being huge time-wasters, and we will heartily agree with you.

It just doesn't take away the fact that video games are just as often time-wasters as well.

Tell me why they are more time-wasters than movies or novels, please.

Look here. I have said, three times now, that they _aren't_! You can attack the great majority of novels and movies out there for being huge time-wasters, and we will heartily agree with you. _It just doesn't take away the fact that video games are just as often time-wasters as well._

Talking to Dani, not you. Attacking her "argument", not yours. :)

So do you believe you should never do anything just for fun?

My biggest problem with them is that people spend so much time on them. If people spent as much time on movies (not counting TV), I'd probably avoid them. *Is that the truth? Would you stop doing something you liked because other people abused it? Do people abuse the medium of movies? Apparently not, or you would stop watching them. Or would you?*

Cut that out. You wouldn't stop doing something you liked because other people abused it, so leave her alone.

We're not saying at all that you should stop playing video games. No. That is not what this is about. I thought we already came to a consensus: A lot of video games are unwholesome. Not all video games are unwholesome. Playing video games is very easily overdone. Video games are big time-wasters in our society. Video games are not wrong, necessarily, but if you don't watch out they will get that way. Video games are not the 'root of all evil', but they don't help any.

Didn't we agree on this, pretty much?

Tell me why they are more time-wasters than movies or novels, please.

Look here. I have said, three times now, that they _aren't_! You can attack the great majority of novels and movies out there for being huge time-wasters, and we will heartily agree with you. _It just doesn't take away the fact that video games are just as often time-wasters as well._

Talking to Dani, not you. Attacking her "argument", not yours. :)

Okay. :) Well, I'm pretty sure she'll agree with me.

My biggest problem with them is that people spend so much time on them. If people spent as much time on movies (not counting TV), I'd probably avoid them. *Is that the truth? Would you stop doing something you liked because other people abused it? Do people abuse the medium of movies? Apparently not, or you would stop watching them. Or would you?*

Cut that out. You wouldn't stop doing something you liked because other people abused it, so leave her alone. We're not saying at all that you should stop playing video games. No. That is not what this is about. I thought we already came to a consensus: _A lot of video games are unwholesome. Not all video games are unwholesome. Playing video games is very easily overdone. Video games are big time-wasters in our society. Video games are not wrong, necessarily, but if you don't watch out they will get that way. Video games are not the 'root of all evil', but they don't help any._ Didn't we agree on this, pretty much?

We might've not so sure about Dani, honestly. Otherwise, we'd have expected her to accept that we enjoy our games, and stop trying to link them all with evil. But, she does.

So do you believe you should never do anything just for fun?

Oh, come on. Do you really think I would believe that? Of course not! Read my above statement in italics. I think it summarizes my feelings.

I do think we should be very careful on what we spend our time on. "Redeeming the time, because the days are evil."

We know you enjoy your games. (You're going to kill me…I actually like playing Tetrix on vacations. I'm pretty good at it, too! :P) We know you don't want to give them up. We know that even if we tried, we wouldn't persuade you to give them up.

Let me speak plainly with you for a moment - I know Dani a lot better than you do, and you weren't being very nice. Being guys, you may not understand us girls' sensitive feelings and hormones. She probably wouldn't have taken quite such a strong position if you had spoken a little bit kinder. Just saying. :) I don't think she meant everything she said in the way that you took it.

Playing "not bad" video games should be fine then!

My biggest problem with them is that people spend so much time on them. If people spent as much time on movies (not counting TV), I'd probably avoid them. *Is that the truth? Would you stop doing something you liked because other people abused it? Do people abuse the medium of movies? Apparently not, or you would stop watching them. Or would you?*

Cut that out. You wouldn't stop doing something you liked because other people abused it, so leave her alone. ....

"Cut that out,"….Make me.

I wouldn't stop doing something I liked because other people abused it! (she actually did say something true!) But I wasn't asking myself that, and I certainly wasn't asking you that. I was asking Dani M. And according to her logic, she would.

"leave her alone." When she stops, I'll stop. Until then, stop giving me orders.

notices that you all totally ignored my verse quotation

Sighs This isn't going to go anywhere except make people mad… remembers the.music discussion

*notices that you all totally ignored my verse quotation*

Notices that it has nothing to do with what I said

Playing "not bad" video games should be fine then!

Exactly! Except - not in excession. They're not really benefiting you in your spiritual life, am I correct? Therefore we should be even more careful how much time we spend on them.

My biggest problem with them is that people spend so much time on them. If people spent as much time on movies (not counting TV), I'd probably avoid them. *Is that the truth? Would you stop doing something you liked because other people abused it? Do people abuse the medium of movies? Apparently not, or you would stop watching them. Or would you?*

Cut that out. You wouldn't stop doing something you liked because other people abused it, so leave her alone. ....

"Cut that out,"....Make me. I _wouldn't_ stop doing something I liked because other people abused it! (she actually _did_ say something true!) But I wasn't asking myself that, and I certainly wasn't asking _you_ that. I was asking Dani M. And according to her logic, she would. "leave her alone." When she stops, I'll stop. Until then, stop giving me orders.

I am very sorry. I did not mean to be rude. Please forgive me. Just, can you please try to soften your comments? It would help a lot.

*Sighs* This isn't going to go anywhere except make people mad... *remembers the.music discussion*

I'm not mad… xP sighs I guess I forget that other people are more easily offended than myself. I'm sorry.

We know you enjoy your games. (You're going to kill me...I actually like playing Tetrix on vacations. I'm pretty good at it, too! :P) We know you don't want to give them up. We know that even if we tried, we wouldn't persuade you to give them up. Let me speak plainly with you for a moment - I know Dani a lot better than you do, and you weren't being very nice. Being guys, you may not understand us girls' sensitive feelings and hormones. She probably wouldn't have taken quite such a strong position if you had spoken a little bit kinder. Just saying. :) I don't think she meant everything she said in the way that you took it.

Look. We only want peace. We'd be fine knowing that y'all don't really like video games (except for Tetris…which always looked too hard/boring for me. XD), because that's life. People will disagree with you. Even among best friends, there are always disagreements. But what we don't like, is when someone runs up to us, gets in our face even when we're not talking to them, and goes "Your video games are taking America to hell, and by playing them, you're contributing to that! Hope you have fun DYING!"

Yeah.

Real helpful there, chief.

We don't enjoy fighting about this any more than you do. But at the same time, as Dani sees a problem she feels like she needs to resolve, we see an annoying fly that just won't buzz away, and we're trying to smash it. She poses no threat to us, except that of annoyance, and would prefer to stomp her out.

If she agrees to stop her tirades, we will agree not to blast every word she says with sarcasm.

You don't have to fight about it. You can state your views just as strongly without sarcasm, and with kindness! Besides, if you wouldn't blast every word she says with sarcasm, she would probably agree to stop her tirades. It goes both ways.

I would like to say that as a cop's daughter, all the police officers (EDIT: That I know, which is about fifty) think that video games are a huge problem, and Dad said that every domestic violence case he went to, there was a video game being played.

*Sighs* This isn't going to go anywhere except make people mad... *remembers the.music discussion*

I'm not mad... xP *sighs* I guess I forget that other people are more easily offended than myself. I'm sorry.

Well, I wasn't saying you were necessarily mad…but not so nice words are being exchanged between Sam, Noah, Dani and yourself. Maybe everybody could gentle their tone a bit.

Video games may have a big part in that but it is definitely not the only reason. The main reason is sin.

I would like to say that as a cop's daughter, all the police officers think that video games are a huge problem, and Dad said that every domestic violence case he went to, there was a video game being played.

And since you know "all" the police officers, you can confirm this.

That’s right, Carissa. The Bible says “For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies.” Matthew 15:19

*Sighs* This isn't going to go anywhere except make people mad... *remembers the.music discussion*

I'm not mad... xP *sighs* I guess I forget that other people are more easily offended than myself. I'm sorry.

Well, I wasn't saying you were necessarily mad...but not so nice words are being exchanged between Sam, Noah, Dani and yourself. Maybe everybody could gentle their tone a bit.

You're right. I'll try harder.

Video games may have a big part in that but it is definitely not the only reason. The main reason is sin.

Wow. That is so true! "The heart of man is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked."

You've said as much before. You spammed our "Video Games" topic, remember?