Dating vs Courtship.

Why? What's the difference?

Teasing is not the same--even when you extend it logically--as such an outright display. The same arguments cannot be used to "justify" it; so I have to agree with them in saying that it isn't the best analogy to use here. Not to put down your argument; I just don't think this was the best way to prove what you're saying. :)

But everyone would know it's all just a joke… just like they do when we tease.

Why? What's the difference?

Teasing is not the same--even when you extend it logically--as such an outright display. The same arguments cannot be used to "justify" it; so I have to agree with them in saying that it isn't the best analogy to use here. Not to put down your argument; I just don't think this was the best way to prove what you're saying. :)

But everyone would know it's all just a joke... just like they do when we tease.

But… something like that can't be a joke. Nobody can… well, do what you described… purely as a joke. Teasing is like sarcasm/irony; you can do or say something other than what you really mean, and people generally understand. I completely agree with you that romance teasing is not an appropriate kind of teasing; but I don't think this analogy fits very well. :)

@Sam and @Nicolas, I can say it's sin because it is deliberately offending other Christians. In some cases, it'd be causing them to stumble because they think God doesn't want them to be involved in such teasing. In any case, it is having no respect for their wishes and making fun of them against their will–for the sake of your stinkin' fun. If they don't want to have a serious aspect of life mocked in them, you shouldn't do it (I don't think you should do it regardless, but I only say it's sin if they've asked you not to).

@Sam, just because I've committed sins in my life doesn't mean I can't point out that God says something is wrong. When Jesus said that, He was talking to hypocrites.

Why? What's the difference?

Teasing is not the same--even when you extend it logically--as such an outright display. The same arguments cannot be used to "justify" it; so I have to agree with them in saying that it isn't the best analogy to use here. Not to put down your argument; I just don't think this was the best way to prove what you're saying. :)

But everyone would know it's all just a joke... just like they do when we tease.

But... something like that _can't_ be a joke. Nobody can... well, do what you described... purely as a joke. Teasing is like sarcasm/irony; you can do or say something other than what you really mean, and people generally understand. I completely agree with you that romance teasing is not an appropriate kind of teasing; but I don't think this analogy fits very well. :)

And I think David would kill Nathan too. What a pity that would be! :)

But... something like that _can't_ be a joke.

Sure it can be! Maybe someone is joking about me and a girl, saying we should get married, and I'm going along with it and decide to make people laugh even more by jokingly giving her a quick smooch and saying, "Can you see us together?" That could work.

But... something like that _can't_ be a joke.

Sure it can be! Maybe someone is joking about me and a girl, saying we should get married, and I'm going along with it and decide to make people laugh even more by jokingly giving her a quick smooch and saying, "Can you see us together?" That could work.

At that point, my good self and I would reply with something along the lines of "Hah, I couldn't live with her! She'd never let me eat Chinese!" ;)

Perhaps using "romantic teasing" (honestly, that phrase keeps making me think of a couple teasing each other in-between kisses) in a not bad way is an art you do not possess. ;)

@Sam and @Nicolas, I can say it's sin because it is deliberately offending other Christians. In some cases, it'd be causing them to stumble because they think God doesn't want them to be involved in such teasing. In any case, it is having no respect for their wishes and making fun of them against their will--for the sake of your frickin' fun. If they don't want to have a serious aspect of life mocked in them, you shouldn't do it (I don't think you should do it regardless, but I only say it's sin if they've asked you not to).

Hey, put that way, I agree. :) ^(And though I can completely understand your annoyance… such a stern tone probably isn't gonna help anything here. Proverbs 15:1, right? :) )^ But really, I don't know if this argument applies here. The people who have asked not to be teased are the ones who aren't being teased! I don't think any sin is (at least not obviously) being committed here. I still agree that teasing should not be occurring, though.

But... something like that _can't_ be a joke.

Sure it can be! Maybe someone is joking about me and a girl, saying we should get married, and I'm going along with it and decide to make people laugh even more by jokingly giving her a quick smooch and saying, "Can you see us together?" That could work.

Well, see the rest of my comment. Nobody would see that as a joke.

At that point, my good self and I would reply with something along the lines of "Hah, I couldn't live with her! She'd never let me eat Chinese!" ;) *See Nicolas? Even Sam is proving that point of mine. :-P* Perhaps using "romantic teasing" (honestly, that phrase keeps making me think of a couple teasing each other in-between kisses) in a not bad way is an art you do not possess. ;) *I've seen a LOT of people do it, and so far I have never seen anyone who has possessed it. And, after thinking long and hard, I've never been able to think of any situation in which it would not be foolish.*

Perhaps using "romantic teasing" (honestly, that phrase keeps making me think of a couple teasing each other in-between kisses) in a not bad way is an art you do not possess. ;)

^That's why we're saying "romance teasing," not "romantic teasing," dude. :P^

Um, maybe it's an art that nobody should possess? :P Just sayin'. :P

The people who have asked not to be teased are the ones who aren't being teased!

That's new to me… but I'm glad to hear it!

At that point, my good self and I would reply with something along the lines of "Hah, I couldn't live with her! She'd never let me eat Chinese!" ;) *See Nicolas? Even Sam is proving that point of mine. :-P*

Something tells me that if you suddenly kissed a girl who wasn't your wife in Sam's presence, that's not really the way he'd react. :P He'd probably slap you. :P

Well, see the rest of my comment. Nobody would see that as a joke.

So if Sam did that to [insert the name of any of the girls he's teased], you'd see it as legit?

The people who have asked not to be teased are the ones who aren't being teased!

That's new to me... but I'm glad to hear it!

The only ones I can think of are myself and Rosie, and nobody's teasing us. :P If there's anybody else, I'm not aware of it. :P

At that point, my good self and I would reply with something along the lines of "Hah, I couldn't live with her! She'd never let me eat Chinese!" ;) *See Nicolas? Even Sam is proving that point of mine. :-P*

Something tells me that if you suddenly kissed a girl who wasn't your wife in Sam's presence, that's not really the way he'd react. :P He'd probably slap you. :P

Depending on who it was, he might kill you. :)

Something tells me that if you suddenly kissed a girl who wasn't your wife in Sam's presence, that's not really the way he'd react. :P He'd probably slap you. :P

Yeah, and he should too–but what was proved is that it CAN be done as a joke.

Perhaps using "romantic teasing" (honestly, that phrase keeps making me think of a couple teasing each other in-between kisses) in a not bad way is an art you do not possess. ;)

^That's why we're saying "romance teasing," not "romantic teasing," dude. :P^ Um, maybe it's an art that nobody should possess? :P Just sayin'. :P

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'Tis one of my talents, such as it is. :)

The only ones I can think of are myself and Rosie, and nobody's teasing us. :P If there's anybody else, I'm not aware of it. :P

…Carissa? Like, a zillion times?

Well, see the rest of my comment. Nobody would see that as a joke.

So if Sam did that to [insert the name of any of the girls he's teased], you'd see it as legit?

Uh, no… my apologies for implying that. I wouldn't see it as a joke; I'd see it as a very serious violation of… well, all sense of propriety! And any motivation he could have for doing that couldn't conceivably be anything other than sinful. I can't see even Sam doing that. :P

Well, see the rest of my comment. Nobody would see that as a joke.

So if Sam did that to [insert the name of any of the girls he's teased], you'd see it as legit?

Uh, no... my apologies for implying that. I wouldn't see it as a joke; I'd see it as a very serious violation of... well, all sense of propriety! And any motivation he could have for doing that couldn't conceivably be anything other than sinful. I can't see even Sam doing that. :P

Nope. I save my dazzling lips for very special girls. ;)

Uh, no... my apologies for implying that. I wouldn't see it as a joke; I'd see it as a very serious violation of... well, all sense of propriety! *But why playful kissing any more this than playful romance teasing?* And any motivation he could have for doing that couldn't conceivably be anything other than sinful. *Why couldn't he have the same motivations he'd have for romance teasing--being funny?* I can't see even Sam doing that. :P *Me neither; I'm not saying he ever would; I'm just using it as an example.*

Nope. I save my dazzling lips for _very_ special girls. ;)

This is off-topic, but I'd hope it'd be A very special girl. :-P

The only ones I can think of are myself and Rosie, and nobody's teasing us. :P If there's anybody else, I'm not aware of it. :P

...Carissa? Like, a zillion times?

Well… that's the weird thing. I know Carissa's gonna see this, ^(and if you are reading this, I'm sorry xP)^ but… she says some things that she doesn't entirely mean. Obviously she does not appreciate the teasing. But if she actually had a serious issue about it, she would be more serious about it and Sam would have stopped by now. I still think that Sam shouldn't tease Carissa like he does; but Carissa's not against it as much as, say, Rosie and I are. :P ^(Um… Carissa, if I happen to be wrong, sorry for misrepresenting you. :})^

Nope. I save my dazzling lips for _very_ special girls. ;)

This is off-topic, but I'd hope it'd be _A_ very special girl. :-P

I do happen to have baby cousins. ;)

Well... that's the weird thing. I know Carissa's gonna see this, ^(and if you are reading this, I'm sorry xP)^ but... she says some things that she doesn't _entirely_ mean. Obviously she does not _appreciate_ the teasing. But if she actually had a serious issue about it, she would be more serious about it and Sam would have stopped by now. I still think that Sam shouldn't tease Carissa like he does; but Carissa's not against it as much as, say, Rosie and I are. :P ^(Um... Carissa, if I happen to be wrong, sorry for misrepresenting you. :})^

She's talked to me about it and says that she didn't want to seem like she was nagging him. (And I told her not to give a flip about that.)

I do happen to have baby cousins. ;)

Oh, that's right. And your mom and sister. xD

Uh, no... my apologies for implying that. I wouldn't see it as a joke; I'd see it as a very serious violation of... well, all sense of propriety! *But why playful kissing any more this than playful romance teasing?* And any motivation he could have for doing that couldn't conceivably be anything other than sinful. *Why couldn't he have the same motivations he'd have for romance teasing--being funny?* I can't see even Sam doing that. :P *Me neither; I'm not saying he ever would; I'm just using it as an example.*

In the context of this community of believers, kissing cannot be not viewed as playful by anyone. That's why it's different. And I know that none of us could ever actually do something like that just to be funny; this makes it a faulty analogy in the context of us Memversers.

In the context of this community of believers, kissing cannot be not viewed as playful by anyone. That's why it's different. And I know that none of us could ever actually do something like that just to be funny; this makes it a faulty analogy in the context of us Memversers.

I guess I can see why it's difficult for you to think in those terms.

Well... that's the weird thing. I know Carissa's gonna see this, ^(and if you are reading this, I'm sorry xP)^ but... she says some things that she doesn't _entirely_ mean. Obviously she does not _appreciate_ the teasing. But if she actually had a serious issue about it, she would be more serious about it and Sam would have stopped by now. I still think that Sam shouldn't tease Carissa like he does; but Carissa's not against it as much as, say, Rosie and I are. :P ^(Um... Carissa, if I happen to be wrong, sorry for misrepresenting you. :})^

She's talked to me about it and says that she didn't want to seem like she was nagging him. (And I told her not to give a flip about that.)

Hm… you know, that does sound like something Carissa would do, come to think of it. She'd be against it, but she wouldn't want to be too vocal about it because she doesn't want to make her friends feel bad in any way… So, Sam, maybe you're doing more than you think when teasing Carissa!

In the context of this community of believers, kissing cannot be not viewed as playful by anyone. That's why it's different. And I know that none of us could ever actually do something like that just to be funny; this makes it a faulty analogy in the context of us Memversers.

I guess I can see why it's difficult for you to think in those terms.

It's not difficult for me to think in those terms. It's impossible for events to occur by those terms. That's why the analogy doesn't work here.

It's not difficult for me to think in those terms. It's _impossible_ for events to _occur_ by those terms. That's why the analogy doesn't work _here_.

And this is what it boils to–my real question: WHY is it impossible? WHY?!

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It's not difficult for me to think in those terms. It's _impossible_ for events to _occur_ by those terms. That's why the analogy doesn't work _here_.

And this is what it boils to--my real question: WHY is it impossible? WHY?!

Because no one involved in the teasing about which we are talking could even conceive to do something so serious in a playful manner! Romance teasing is not as serious as that, even in my opinion!

You guys make me laugh. :)

It's not difficult for me to think in those terms. It's _impossible_ for events to _occur_ by those terms. That's why the analogy doesn't work _here_.

And this is what it boils to--my real question: WHY is it impossible? WHY?!

Because _no one involved in the teasing about which we are talking_ could even _conceive_ to do something so serious in a playful manner! Romance teasing is not as serious as that, even in _my_ opinion!

You are talking to Nathan, remember? He who would rather hear the f-word than "My gosh!". ;)

You guys make me laugh. :)

Glad to make your day, dude. :P But could you for once consider being CONSIDERATE OF OTHERS? I know, it's really hard! :P

Because _no one involved in the teasing about which we are talking_ could even _conceive_ to do something so serious in a playful manner! Romance teasing is not as serious as that, even in _my_ opinion!

And WHY could no one conceive it?

You guys make me laugh. :)

Glad to make your day, dude. :P But could you for once consider being CONSIDERATE OF OTHERS? I know, it's really hard! :P

Be considerate of me, then we can talk. XD

I take me leave for now. This, has been fun. XDD

Because _no one involved in the teasing about which we are talking_ could even _conceive_ to do something so serious in a playful manner! Romance teasing is not as serious as that, even in _my_ opinion!

And WHY could no one conceive it?

Well, I can't conceive it. Obviously you can't conceive it. Sam said he might kill someone for doing it, so he can't conceive it either. I think that covers just about everybody right there. :P

You guys make me laugh. :)

Glad to make your day, dude. :P But could you for once consider being CONSIDERATE OF OTHERS? I know, it's really hard! :P

Be considerate of me, then we can talk. XD I take me leave for now. This, has been fun. XDD

…How have I not been considerate of you, dude?! I've been trying hard! :P

Yeah, yeah. See ya, man. :P

Well, I can't conceive it. Obviously you can't conceive it. Sam said he might kill someone for doing it, so he can't conceive it either. I think that covers just about everybody right there. :P

I didn't ask WHO can't conceive it; I asked WHY they can't conceive it. All these people–why can't they conceive it?

I've got to take my leave as well. I hope this has been profitable to at least someone… :P

Well, I can't conceive it. Obviously you can't conceive it. Sam said he might kill someone for doing it, so he can't conceive it either. I think that covers just about everybody right there. :P

I didn't ask WHO can't conceive it; I asked WHY they can't conceive it. All these people--why can't they conceive it?

Because it would be sinful, not playful, to do that. Romance teasing does not have to be sinful; you yourself said so.

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Because it would be _sinful_, not _playful_, to do that. Romance teasing does not have to be sinful; you yourself said so.

Aside from the fact that our parents wouldn't approve, what would be sinful about it?

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Well... that's the weird thing. I know Carissa's gonna see this, ^(and if you are reading this, I'm sorry xP)^ but... she says some things that she doesn't _entirely_ mean. Obviously she does not _appreciate_ the teasing. But if she actually had a serious issue about it, she would be more serious about it and Sam would have stopped by now. I still think that Sam shouldn't tease Carissa like he does; but Carissa's not against it as much as, say, Rosie and I are. :P ^(Um... Carissa, if I happen to be wrong, sorry for misrepresenting you. :})^

She's talked to me about it and says that she didn't want to seem like she was nagging him. (And I told her not to give a flip about that.)

Uh…I did say more. ;)

Uh...I did say more. ;)

I'm not sure if you mean you said more to Sam or you said more to me in that conversation–but regardless, you asked him seriously to stop more than once.

Well... that's the weird thing. I know Carissa's gonna see this, ^(and if you are reading this, I'm sorry xP)^ but... she says some things that she doesn't _entirely_ mean. Obviously she does not _appreciate_ the teasing. But if she actually had a serious issue about it, she would be more serious about it and Sam would have stopped by now. I still think that Sam shouldn't tease Carissa like he does; but Carissa's not against it as much as, say, Rosie and I are. :P ^(Um... Carissa, if I happen to be wrong, sorry for misrepresenting you. :})^

She's talked to me about it and says that she didn't want to seem like she was nagging him. (And I told her not to give a flip about that.)

Hm... you know, that does sound like something Carissa would do, come to think of it. She'd be against it, but she wouldn't want to be too vocal about it because she doesn't want to make her friends feel bad in any way... So, Sam, maybe you're doing more than you think when teasing Carissa!

Yeah, I've just not been vocal about it. I don't see it as big of an issue as Nathan sees it, though. But no, Sam isn't doing more to me than he thinks. ;)